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Message: <blockquote data-quote="string boozel" data-source="post: 3216476" data-attributes="member: 124353">I can't really add anything to this discussion other than to add my own condemnation of these crimes. It's sad that these people can break the law time and time again with what amounts to impunity and sad too that so many in the establishment choose to ignore it. Sections of the press now appear to endorse the practise while  concern by conservationists is dismissed as tree hugging sentimentalism.Everyone agrees that managed grouse moors are better wildlife habitats that those over grazed by sheep and landowners point out the benefits to the rural and larger economy brought about by grouse shooting. So banning driven shooting ( my preference ) would gain little support. What can be done? Fines can be paid with the proceeds from one days shooting so are not really a deterrent, if they were we wouldn't be discussing this issue - again. I'd treat the criminals like anyone else that profits from crime, seize their assets, imprison the culprits and ban them from having any part in the industry in the future.The problem is that the political will is lacking and that will only change if the collective public will demands it. Given that the public seems more concerned with the results of a crappy TV show or getting their hands on the next must have gadget I can't see it happening. I respect the work of the RSPB and the volunteers who give up their time but without the support of the authorities we'll be having this debate every year until there are no harriers left to persecute.James.</blockquote>

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