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Hey Joe, where you gonna go with those parakeets on your hand? (1 Viewer)

Richard Prior

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An interesting article in today’s Guardian on the various theories on the arrival of Rose-ringed Parakeet in the UK and (some of the) effects on the environment:

Feathery, green – and nothing to do with Hendrix​

Tim Blackburn
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Parakeets are common in the UK now. That raises many questions, some fears, and a fair few myths

What links a film starring Katharine Hepburn, Jimi Hendrix, bits of a plane falling on to Syon Park in London and the great storm of 1987? The answer is that they’ve all been proposed as the origin of one of Britain’s loudest, most colourful and recognisable birds: the ring-necked parakeet.
Parakeets are unusual among British birds in that they actually needan origin story. A century ago, there were none flying free in Britain and, as recently as the early 1990s, parakeets were relatively hard to find in the country. There were only a couple of reliable sites – the leafy Berkshire village of Wraysbury, or the trees around Esher rugby club in Surrey – where they would roost on winter evenings. Since then, their population has exploded into the tens of thousands. They’ve spread across the country from Plymouth to Aberdeen, and even over the water to Northern Ireland. London is their stronghold, though, and it’s increasingly rare to venture outside without hearing their raucous cries or seeing their long-tailed silhouettes skimming the rooftops.
Where did they come from? Parakeets naturally live on the Indian subcontinent and across northern Africa, but at some point they were released or escaped from captivity in Britain. Perhaps the best-known “origin story” is that Jimi Hendrix released a pair of parakeets, named Adam and Eve, on Carnaby Street near the end of the 1960s. It’s unlikely they spread, as it’s very unusual for a population to arise from just a single pair. The story that some parakeets escaped in 1951 from Shepperton Studios and the set of the Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart film, The African Queen, is more credible (Shepperton is midway between Wraysbury and Esher). The only problem? The African Queen was actually filmed at Worton Hall studios, near Twickenham.
Jimi Hendrix in London, 1967.
‘Perhaps the best-known ‘origin story’ is that Jimi Hendrix released a pair of parakeets, named Adam and Eve, on Carnaby Street near the end of the 1960s.’ Hendrix in London, 1967.Photograph: David Magnus/Rex Features
We can rule out the other explanations. Parakeets were established in Britain before the 1970s, which means they were neither brought here by the great storm of 1987 nor emerged after plane debris broke open aviaries at Syon Park at some point in the 1970s. Working out the source of Britain’s parakeets has become a scientific detective story, so it’s appropriate that the researchers trying to do this (including me) have borrowed a technique from criminology: geographic profiling, or GP. This method helps detectives to pinpoint the likely home of a serial offender given the scenes of their crimes. Scientists can use it too, for things like identifying the source of a disease outbreak or the origin of a population of alien species. Parakeets, for instance.
GP shows that neither Carnaby Street nor Worton Hall studios are likely to be the starting point for Britain’s parakeets. They probably came from releases or escapes from more than one place. The most likely spots, according to the findings of a study using GP that was conducted in 2019, place them near Croydon in Greater London and Dartford in Kent. This raises another question – why were there multiple releases of parakeets in different areas? We can find evidence to answer that in newspaper archives. Searching for articles about parakeets reveals that in the early 1950s, Britain was gripped by a health scare:
psittacosis, or parrot flu. Psittacosis can be caught from pet birds and can be fatal.
It seems that many parrot owners didn’t want to take any chances. Their options would be to have Polly put down or let her go. Many people presumably chose the latter. The liberated parakeets clearly found London to their liking. Their descendants throng the city today, and have used it as a springboard to colonise the rest of the country. Parakeets are now part of the British avifauna, but they are technically aliens and they have spread, which makes them an invasive species. Many such species are a cause for concern because of their impacts on the environment or the economy. Japanese knotweed, ash dieback, the Asian hornet, and the Colorado beetle all spring to mind.
Should we be worried about the parakeets too? Unfortunately, the answer is probably yes. We know that parakeets can have negative impacts on other birds and bats, competing with them for food and nesting sites. Another concern is their appetite for flowers, fruits and seeds. I’ve watched them stripping blossom from trees in spring and apples in autumn. At the moment, parakeets live mainly in cities, but they may eventually give Britain’s soft fruit and growing wine businesses cause to worry. At first, parakeets were a curious addition to the local flora or fauna. A few parakeets – what’s the harm? We may only discover the true answer to that question when it’s too late to do anything about them. Love them or hate them, parakeets are probably here to stay.
  • Tim Blackburn is professor of invasion biology at UCL and author of The Jewel Box: How Moths Illuminate Nature’s Hidden Rules
 
Around many parts of London, numbers are probably around carrying capacity now. I'm not aware of any studies that show they are having negative effects on other birds. One study in Europe suggested a decline in Nuthatch. Transects in Richmond Park, where large numbers are found, also saw an increase in some other hole nesting species such as Stock Dove & Jackdaw. Starlings did decline but there is a national decline in this species including many areas with no parakeets.

Interestingly they are a favourite prey item for London's increasing Peregrine population as well as occasional prey for Sparrowhawk, Hobby & Tawny Owl.

I've no idea what the situation is with bats but can see there may be an issue with those using cavities.
 
Unfortunately they are guaranteed to have an impact on other birds. Every nest site which is used by a parakeet is a nest site not available for use by other birds. Likewise food, roosting sites, and so on. It will also be impossible to persuade anyone to do anything about them. They are gregarious, colourful birds which visit feeders and which people are fond of. There has been basically no concerted attempt to get rid of grey squirrels (the obvious parallel) and any local action against grey squirrels has only been seen where red squirrels are being displaced. With parakeets, there is no single native species which is being pushed out. We will just have a bunch of hole-nesting birds that mysteriously reduce in numbers over time.
 
Entertaining as R.r Parakeets are when gathering in huge evening flocks to roost, they are extremely unpleasant birds to have close to your home.

You may think, for example, a family of magpies are at times noisy (which we had in large Leylandi in the back garden), but just experience being woken up by a small group of these beautiful screeching parakeets perched some 50 yards from your bedroom at 5am on a fine summers morning.

Thankfully we moved from N.E. London and now have song thrush and wren to seranade us.
 
Entertaining as R.r Parakeets are when gathering in huge evening flocks to roost, they are extremely unpleasant birds to have close to your home.

You may think, for example, a family of magpies are at times noisy (which we had in large Leylandi in the back garden), but just experience being woken up by a small group of these beautiful screeching parakeets perched some 50 yards from your bedroom at 5am on a fine summers morning.

Thankfully we moved from N.E. London and now have song thrush and wren to seranade us.
I have a roost of well over a thousand less than a mile from home & have had up to 16 in the garden, though most are in the birch. If I'm home I do chase them off the feeders &this has been surprisingly successful & getting far fewer visits now.

One would of thought the large numbers would be having an impact but there's little scientific data to back that up & note that birdister doesn't provide any hard evidence to back his claims. Certainly they may oust other birds from garden feeders but this is a very unnatural food source. so they may compete with the Goldfinches for the sunflower hearts in my garden & I don't think they are competing for natural food sources. Never seen a parakeet feeding on thistles.

Whatever they are likely to be here to stay. It would be far too expensive & logistically difficult to eradicate them now. They can already be legally controlled where they are causing damage, eg. vineyards in Surrey.
 
I have a roost of well over a thousand less than a mile from home & have had up to 16 in the garden, though most are in the birch. If I'm home I do chase them off the feeders &this has been surprisingly successful & getting far fewer visits now.

One would of thought the large numbers would be having an impact but there's little scientific data to back that up & note that birdister doesn't provide any hard evidence to back his claims. Certainly they may oust other birds from garden feeders but this is a very unnatural food source. so they may compete with the Goldfinches for the sunflower hearts in my garden & I don't think they are competing for natural food sources. Never seen a parakeet feeding on thistles.

Whatever they are likely to be here to stay. It would be far too expensive & logistically difficult to eradicate them now. They can already be legally controlled where they are causing damage, eg. vineyards in Surrey.
Human history shows how effective people can be at annihilating animal populations and I don't think eliminating our parakeets is at all impossible. If the political will to cull native Badgers or the entitled (in more than one way) rich's propensity for chopping predators legally and illegally was funnelled into a parakeet cull they would be gone in a few years. Targeted netting, shooting, nest destruction would combine to put the green horde under inexorable pressure.

John
 
Human history shows how effective people can be at annihilating animal populations and I don't think eliminating our parakeets is at all impossible. If the political will to cull native Badgers or the entitled (in more than one way) rich's propensity for chopping predators legally and illegally was funnelled into a parakeet cull they would be gone in a few years. Targeted netting, shooting, nest destruction would combine to put the green horde under inexorable pressure.

John
Very difficult in built-up areas so shooting is unlikely to be done where numbers are densest. Bit difficult to destroy cavities & would be very inefficient for the huge number present. Apart from some minor problems with crops they haven't been proved to have been particularly damaging to native specie s& I live in an area where they are one of the most common birds, so can see first hand how they fit in. BTO surveys don't show any obvious negative impacts to date..

I'm pretty neutral on them but I suspect there will never be an attempt to eradicate them. It would cost a huge amount of money that could be spent on far better conservation initiatives. There would also be a huge public outcry too which has to be factored in to what would a political decision.
 
Very difficult in built-up areas so shooting is unlikely to be done where numbers are densest. Bit difficult to destroy cavities & would be very inefficient for the huge number present. Apart from some minor problems with crops they haven't been proved to have been particularly damaging to native specie s& I live in an area where they are one of the most common birds, so can see first hand how they fit in. BTO surveys don't show any obvious negative impacts to date..

I'm pretty neutral on them but I suspect there will never be an attempt to eradicate them. It would cost a huge amount of money that could be spent on far better conservation initiatives. There would also be a huge public outcry too which has to be factored in to what would a political decision.
You don't have to destroy cavities, just crush the eggs. The fact that they use cavities would increase the effectiveness of nest destruction as more sites could be found year on year. Rocket netting of big winter roosts would also peg the population back increasing the effectiveness of other measures. The public would no more notice or care than they did about Ruddy Ducks or Badgers (i.e. no effective resistance) assuming the government was behind the killing.

JFDI.

John
 
You don't have to destroy cavities, just crush the eggs. The fact that they use cavities would increase the effectiveness of nest destruction as more sites could be found year on year. Rocket netting of big winter roosts would also peg the population back increasing the effectiveness of other measures. The public would no more notice or care than they did about Ruddy Ducks or Badgers (i.e. no effective resistance) assuming the government was behind the killing.

JFDI.

John
Certainly don't think it will happen. Also the general public on the whole wouldn't know what a Ruddy Duck was . Many people actively feed the parakeets so I think they are much more in the public arena. Very much a marmite species, like urban Foxes, people tend to either love them or loathe them.

Given the huge expense it would incur I will be very surprised if there is any concerted effort to eradicate them.
 
You don't have to destroy cavities, just crush the eggs. The fact that they use cavities would increase the effectiveness of nest destruction as more sites could be found year on year. Rocket netting of big winter roosts would also peg the population back increasing the effectiveness of other measures. The public would no more notice or care than they did about Ruddy Ducks or Badgers (i.e. no effective resistance) assuming the government was behind the killing.

JFDI.

John
Sounds like a vanity project to me ...

;-)


re nest holes - imagine employing tree surgeons to deal with the cavities/eggs would be the way, but expensive and time consuming.
 
Sounds like a vanity project to me ...

;-)


re nest holes - imagine employing tree surgeons to deal with the cavities/eggs would be the way, but expensive and time consuming.
Removal of invasive aliens is government policy and this would be a good one to get on top of quickly. Probably only American Mink and various plants like Himalayan Balsam should come higher up the priority list.

John
 
Interestingly they are a favourite prey item for London's increasing Peregrine population as well as occasional prey for Sparrowhawk, Hobby & Tawny Owl.
I would like to see more proof, or at least accounts of, this. A rose-ringed parakeet must be close to the weight of a male hobby, far above the average prey weight taken by the Eurasian hobby anywhere in its range.

Peregrines unquestionably catch them and in pretty good numbers - but interestingly the great majority of hunts I've witnessed myself have been after pigeons, which I suppose fly higher and are easier for the observer to see.
 
I would like to see more proof, or at least accounts of, this. A rose-ringed parakeet must be close to the weight of a male hobby, far above the average prey weight taken by the Eurasian hobby anywhere in its range.

Peregrines unquestionably catch them and in pretty good numbers - but interestingly the great majority of hunts I've witnessed myself have been after pigeons, which I suppose fly higher and are easier for the observer to see.
It was in the respected journal British Birds which had a paper looked at predation by the species I mentioned in Hyde Park/Kensington Gardens if you care to search for it. I suspect it's a pretty unusual prey item for me & the species hasn't bred there for a couple of years.

Where I live in the west London suburbs the two pairs of breeding Peregrine (both on hospitals) closest to me take parakeets regularly. Certainly at least the second most frequently taken prey item, no doubt reflecting their local abundance.
 

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