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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JANJ" data-source="post: 1486090" data-attributes="member: 20722">I also have never seen an Icterine with such a short p-projection, but I have seen Melodious in spring with with a fairly obvious wing panel, and I would say that Killian - in a comment here:<a href="http://www.northwalesbirding.co.uk/forum//viewtopic.php?t=2809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15" target="_blank">http://www.northwalesbirding.co.uk/forum//viewtopic.php?t=2809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15</a>has a point in that the panel in Melodious has a tendency to be broader, brighter at the base of the secondaries and less pronaunced, narrower towards the tips.Regarding the lenght of p1 - which CAU also have noticed, I would not rely to much on that feature, since the measurements in Svensson shows that there might be some degree of overlap.Pitty indeed that we can´t get a glimpse of p2, which is clearly shorter in Melodious (between 4/5 (4) compared to Icterine (6/7 (5/8).As Eduardo mentioned, the primary tips  and tail tip are more worn in spring compared to Icterine, later winter moult in Icterine.<a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=7567" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=7567</a><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=21762" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=21762</a><a href="http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/canapino&page=all" target="_blank">http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/canapino&page=all</a><a href="http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=172065" target="_blank">http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=172065</a>JanJ</blockquote>

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