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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chosun Juan" data-source="post: 3447148" data-attributes="member: 92780">Correct on all counts Alexis, (well for you anyway <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. I can see grips being an individual thing. For instance, on my Zen ED3 (open frame EL copy, though with a much preferable wider, ergonomically shaped bridge, and much larger - length and diameter - knurled alloy focusing wheel), I like to use a push-pull arrangement with the index finger of each hand to focus, and the middle fingers overlap on the wide bridge. Ring fingers and pinkies are then naturally butted up against the bridge with no gap or weird bending or angles, and fully within the open frame. My hands are large so my thumbs each then rest/support the underside of the opposite barrel, despite there being thumb indents further toward the middle of the bin on each gripped barrel. This gives an ultra stable grip that is super comfortable, and ultra quick (with the Zen's fast focuser) and precise to focus.  :t:This, now that I think of it, is probably the reason that I keep the Zen above all others (along with its brightness, sharpness and distortion-free view, and excellent CA control in the central field). It's not that other views aren't better for more of the field, it's just that the other bins don't quite feel right. Had the Swaro 10x50 SV been 200grams lighter, we would be having a different conversation, where I could excuse its slow and girl's blouse sized focuser in an otherwise near as dammit perfect bin.  :king:Yes, you are right that apart from the SF's redistribution of glass weight to an extent, the main trick there comes in moving the hands forward. You (and some others) like this - myself, some others, (and others dodgy of shoulder) not so much !  There is a limit as to how far such snakeoil, smoke and mirrors can take some of us    :cat:I always wear a wide brimmed straw hat too, but it doesn't sit too low. Unleash the can of worms !   o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />Chosun  :gh:</blockquote>

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