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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NDhunter" data-source="post: 3447651" data-attributes="member: 74573">Alexis:I understand your post, and that is about finding a better hand position with the EL.Your pictures show some contortion that nobody should have to go through.I have used the 8.5x42 EL for over 10 years, and they are a very nice binocular, but ergonomicallythey are designed to be used with the thumb detents.  You mentioned the Zeiss SF, and it has improved on many things compared to the SV, the better ergos. larger diameter and smoother focuser, and better balance.  I suppose you can tell, I like the SF better in many ways. You asked for it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />I do have a Swarovski EL SV, the 8x32, it is very good in this size.Jerry</blockquote>