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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zheljko" data-source="post: 2920102" data-attributes="member: 9553">I am not sure. I attended Raković's lecture on the new splits and there were about 9? new species that looked well separated on the map by empty space where none occurs, except for that area in central Asia which was not very interesting for us. I mostly remembered that penicillata lives in Balkans/Turkey, flava lives in northern Europe and alpestris lives in America. Alpestris is very diverse gene-wise but so mixed up (melting pot) that no further subspecies delineation was possible.We spent some time philosophizing on why the American subspecies would be alpestris (suggesting Alps) and why it was the first to be described when Linne had North European flavaliving in his neighborhood. We had no answers - they would have to be looked up in original papers.It seems that a small flock of flava (wintering? vagrants?) was recorded in our local region but noone reported seeing them later.</blockquote>