Hume's white-eye from gallery (1 Viewer)

[njlarsen]

Dear all, subspecies auriventer from the past Oriental White-eye and a couple of subspecies from Everett's White-eye have been combined into Hume's White-eye. The question is if we have any images in the gallery that actually show that species. I have looked and mainly by range identified a few candidates. Can anyone take a look to see if any are truly this species?

thanks
Niels

https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=404753
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=454766
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=454766
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=461682
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=464578&nocache=1
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=557577

 

[James Eaton]

Dear all, subspecies auriventer from the past Oriental White-eye and a couple of subspecies from Everett's White-eye have been combined into Hume's White-eye. The question is if we have any images in the gallery that actually show that species. I have looked and mainly by range identified a few candidates. Can anyone take a look to see if any are truly this species?

thanks
Niels

https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=404753
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=454766
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=454766
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=461682
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=464578&nocache=1
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=557577

Niels,

All Swinhoe's White-eyes (broad eye-ring; long, pointed bill; brighter supraloral area and narrow black loral line). I've also added subspecies where possible:

williamsoni
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=404753

erwini or escape simplex
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=454766

likely an escape simplex
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=461682

likely an escape simplex
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=464578&nocache=1

an escape simplex
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=557577

Happy to look at more, if required.

James

 

[njlarsen]

Thank you James

Niels

 

[njlarsen]

James,
I have just checked the Birds of the World page for Hume's WE. There, it is described as being a species with Broad eye-ring, which is also shown on their images.

This is not to doubt the id, but to figure out what to look for.

Niels

 

[James Eaton]

James,
I have just checked the Birds of the World page for Hume's WE. There, it is described as being a species with Broad eye-ring, which is also shown on their images.

This is not to doubt the id, but to figure out what to look for.

Niels

Hi Niels,

Birdsoftheworld / HBW Alive etc have got much of the finer details of identification of wrong with various Zosterops taxa. One of the best reliable ways to separate Hume's from Swinhoe's is the eyering - the eyering above the eye is roughly a third of the diameter of the eye in size, whereas Swinhoe's is half.
In addition, Swinhoe's has a brighter supraloral area (Hume's is green), and a longer, more pointed bill. Hume's also has duller, greener wing coverts.
The belly is also a pale silvery-grey vs Hume's mid-grey.

Best wishes

James

 

[njlarsen]

Thanks again. From the other end, formerly Everett's WE, is this a Hume's?
https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=416039

Niels

 

[James Eaton]

That's a Hume's - see how narrow the eyering is above the eye.

I notice there is a note saying both this and 'Oriental' occur at Fraser's Hill - that's a false statement, Swinhoe's (what was Oriental) is strictly a lowland, primarily coastal species in Malaysia.

James

 

[njlarsen]

Thanks!

Niels