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Where premium quality meets exceptional value. ZEISS Conquest HDX.

I bought 2 new binoculars during this Black Friday, yesterday arrived both, none of them is usable, there is a collimation problem on both (1 Viewer)

When you buy in that price range, the customer is usually the final inspector.
I wonder how many times have the customer to test and return and receive another item and test and so on, until finally getting a good product.
They should buy a collimation testing machine and test each item before sending it. Is a collimation testing machine that expensive for a company that sells optic products? Would be easier than selling and returning a lot of products after client tests them, because this kind of remote testing at the customer is not too efficient.
 
If you assume that 100% of the 1 star reviews get returned for being defective, that's 5%. For an inexpensive optical product (similar items are on Aliexpress at under $20) that rate of failure when selling at over €30 is likely very acceptable.

The online retailer takes care of the logistics and will dispose of returns in return for a small percentage fee (2%).

Consumer appetite for instant delivery and low prices means quality control is a luxury in a lot of cases.
 
I wanted to discover the mystery why so many good reviews for that Occer and also I thought that I would get a bargain, something to throw in car’s glove box and don’t worry if losing them or get stolen.

Finally today after testing them outside I found the secret why they have so many positive reviews and I am prepared to raise their rating from 1 star junk to 3 or 4 stars (as for disposable cheap for car glove box binoculars).

I didn’t test them outside until now because I seen that are mis-collimated vertically and horizontally so I thought it doesn’t make sense to test such mis-colimated binocs.

What I discovered even mis-collimated horizontally and vertically my eyes adapted easily and I get overlap of the with almost no effort.
The image was more natural than looking through a pair of roofs.
It fits easily in a pocket.
It fits easy in the hand.
It can be operated with a single hand without shaking (they pretended magnification is 12 x but in reality is 7x or 6.5.
Have large oculars. Because of large oculars you cannot get then very close to the eyes, don’t se all field of view, which is good only in the middle anyway, because viewing all the field of view might be a turn-off.
At fist I said how I could follow the birds in flight with such a small field of view, but it proved to be easy, I can’t explain why (maybe lower magnification).
Sometimes the image so beautiful sometimes is not because chromatic aberrations show up. But here the chromatic aberrations are not so disturbing like in a roof. Here you see a lot of details even when chromatic aberrations show up, at some roofs those make impossible to see the details. At here you see a lot of details when are not chromatic aberrations but see also details even when they show up. I was amazed how much detail I have seen sometimes compared with other binoculars.
There are another kind of chromatic aberrations that don’t block the user so much in seeing the details.
Was easy to follow birds flying and see details about them even with the small field of view (which previously I thought might be impossible).
I have seen a birds flying and seen a lot of details, after that the bird passed to an area of the sky where it appeared chromatic aberrations, but after 3 second went to an area of the sky where is disappeared. Chromatic aberrations are not constant they show up and they disappear, even when they appear one can see some of details, the small fov doesn’t make hard to follow the birds during flight.
For example with my Svbony was hard to follow the birds during flight even with that large field of view ( maybe because more heavy, higher magnification, plus that horizontal collimation problem, plus contours around the birds on the sky because some CA).
This one have plenty of chromatic aberrations but are not that annoying like ones from roofs. I have seen on the beach a portion of the sand that looked totally normal after that a small portion of sand with chromatic aberrations, imagine rainbow collars on the sand, and the rest of the sand looked totally well. And when not and area where the chromatic aberrations show up the image was good in the center (I could see only the center anyway because the large eyecups).

Handling is easy because low weight, pocketable size, almost no shake (6 or 7 magnification, one hand holding very easy, following birds was easy with small fov (can’t explain why), adapting to mis-collimated horizontally and vertically was easy (also can’t explain why).

They have a ton of chromatic aberrations even in the sand, but are not such a turn off because one is able to see fine details even then.

I checked again the vertical collimation by looking to a bridge and to a power line. After focusing though them and moving the binocs from the eyes I have seen the right side of the bridge and power line way lower that the left side. So I am 100% are mis-collimated vertically. The horizontal miscollimation i seen through the window of my apartment after checking with another 3 pairs of binoculars (smaller and larger) and not seeing the same problem when looking though all 3 of them.

That’s why is that rating, some people that didn’t tested too many binoculars during their life might say that are amazing even with both horizontal and vertical mis-collimation.

I felt sorry that I did not buy a 7x reverse porro while they were selling good brands of reverse porro in stores.
 
Hello,

I bought 2 new binoculars during this Black Friday.
They arrived both yesterday, but I can’t enjoy them because none of them is usable, there is a collimation problem in both.
Occer has the worst problem have horizontal and vertical collimation that is so obvious that even the dumbest person could notice because is not possible to even recognize the objects when using both eyes, so huge the mis-collimation is.
As you can see on the box the name of the manufacturer is a single word made of 30-40 letters, the largest one I ever seen.
I bought this Occer because it has 29000 ratings mostly positive on Amazon, it seems the product with most good ratings and I thought it might be a good product.
How is it possible so good ratings for such a bad product?

The second one is a Svbony sv202 8x32. It has horizontal collimation problem.
The quality of eye cups is impressive. The feeling and the sound they make when reaching intermediary and final position.
The capacity to display a very bright image even when in the evening with no artificial lights arround impresed me the most.
On static images the quality on the image was great when looking with a single eye, bright images with a lot of details.
Field of view it states 7.87 angular degrees, but for me was harder to follow the birds flying than with my 8x21 7.5 degrees fov binoculars. I don’t know why, maybe because the double image or because the eyecups are larger that the 27mm diameter eye cups of the 8x21 binoculars. Those small cups can be placed very close to the eye so maybe because of that the field of view of 7.5 seems to look larger that 7.87 of Svbony.
Anyway Svbony would be a keeper if collimated properly. But as is the one I received has a little double image I will return it.

Anybody had such a bad experience? To order multiple new binoculars and none of them to be usable?



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Should have saved your money & bought a reputable brand...you get what you pay for
I want to experiment, if the experiment doesn’t cost me a lot of money can be done without too much risk, I learn something about optics through those experiments. I also have a Kenko Lens2scope for conducting experiments related to spotting scopes.
Tell me a reputable brand that sells pocketable reverse porros without too much magnification. In my country Nikon sells Travelite EX only in 10x25 and 12x25. There is no way to order 8x or 9x (a 7x Travelite EX, Nikon never had). Olympus one can find only 12x25 or Olympus zoom binocs in 25mm aperture. And reverse porros have some porro charm in some lighter and smaller binoculars.
 
If you want a reverse porro, then look for the Nikon TraveLite 8x25, a proven model, under $100..
Nikon has been making optics for well over 100 years.
Jerry
 
If you want a reverse porro, then look for the Nikon TraveLite 8x25, a proven model, under $100..
Would love to be $100 or €100. Is 150 euros, not $100
And in my country no dealer wants to sell Nikon Travelite with magnification lower than 10x.
If I order internationally is 150 euros plus transportation.

Viking also have some 8x25 and 6x25 reverse porro but they sell only to Britain, not internationally.
 
How much are you willing to spend to get decent glass?
Depend what do you mean decent. If I would spend $300-$400 on roofs and I still would get chromatic aberrations like purple contours around the birds on the sky, definitely I would not be happy. Because I noticed that I am very sensitive to chromatic aberrations. Other people consider some roof binoculars a good, a vendor of astronomy equipment had some Celestron binocs for birding (besides the giant Celestron for the astronomy), he showed them to me as the best terrestrial binocs he had in store. He said “Can you look through them to see how amazing the binoculars are”. I looked and seen a lot of violet contour fringing around the objects. I said that I am looking for binocs that are better than the binocs already have, something to be an upgrade not a downgrade.
He was upset and said “How can’t you appreciate the best binoculars we have”.
Maybe some people don’t notice the chromatic aberrations, but for me their best terrestrial Celestron were pretty unpleasant to use.

With such “amazing” porro offers I think I should buy a Carl Zeiss Jenoptem 8x30.
 
The price range you mentioned could be described as "entry-level decent".

What you want and what you will find for what you are willing to pay may not be the same.
 
The price range you mentioned could be described as "entry-level decent".
If I would spend $400 and would find anoying chromatic aberrations people would ask why you cheapskate didn’t you spend $600
If I would spend $600 and would find anoying chromatic aberrations people would ask why you cheapskate didn’t you spend $800
If I would spend $800 and would find anoying chromatic aberrations people would ask why you cheapskate did not spend over $1000
And so on..
Is never ending..,
I can’t figure the level of price from which I would be finally happy and not annoyed anymore with the problems related to the roof design. Maybe I should wait to mature the technology so I can find more affordable quality roofs and until then buy some good reverse porros and maybe a not too expensive roof.

Not knowing at what level of price I would find a roof that I will finally like markes all this process a kind of try and miss until you find one you finally like and afford.

I already have 2 small roofs (10x25, 8x21) and a large porro 10x50
 
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I give up
I wanted to say that that I don’t have the chance to test too many binoculars, and many stores have only 10x and above. The testing in store through the store’s window glass doesn’t reveal too much about their qualities in the field. That is why said that buying them is like a hit or miss.
 
Nikon Travelite 8x25, # 7277. This is not the EX. It is available, try online. Under $100.00
I would not get anything above 8X in a reverse porro.
Jerry
 
Nikon Travelite 8x25, # 7277. This is not the EX. It is available, try online. Under $100.00
In Europe they sell only Travelite EX. Getting to simple Travelite compared with the EX version means no waterproofing. But not being waterproof is not the worst problem, especially if is cheaper. The worse problem is losing a few degs in the field of view because EX have larger fov for the same magnification.
5.6 degs for Travelite vs 6.3 degs for Travelite EX, that matters a lot.
 
I am just trying to help
Thank you Jerry. I was hopping to find a Travelite EX for less than 150€. But 5.6 degs is a very small fov. Even Pentax reverse porro 8x25 UP and 8x25WP have fov larger of 6.2 degs both.
I am not sure if they would be as good or better than Nikon Travelite EX.
 
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