pat mitchel
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any pentax products available local to you? many reverse porros in the line up
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I bought 2 new binoculars during this Black Friday, yesterday arrived both, none of them is usable, there is a collimation problem on both (1 Viewer)
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Paultricounty
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Lmao 😂
Paultricounty
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Just about any pair of binoculars in the $400 range will be better corrected for CA than $100 binoculars. Are you saying that lots of CA and badly collimated binoculars are acceptable in $100 binoculars, but a $400 well collimated with a little CA is unacceptable?
It’s very tough to find good glass regardless of prism design for $100, and generally speaking anything less is a toy.
Imho, save up over time and buy some good glass. You’ll get much more enjoyment out of them, they’ll last longer, you’ll have less problems and you won’t regret it.
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You might check these APM porros out. For $150.00 they are very good performers with very little CA. An inexpensive porro will generally perform better than an inexpensive roof because they are less expensive to manufacture because of the simplicity of their design.
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The best $150 binocular I ever bought, is the APM-MS-8x32 IF-ED binocular. I recently tried the APM-MS-6.5x32CF ED and the APM-MS-6.5x32IF ED, and they were very good optically for the price, but they had two problems for me. The eye cups were huge at almost 48mm on both the CF and the IF model...
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Paultricounty
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Your falling into your own trap because your all over the map trying to find a level of quality that really doesn’t exist for $100, if I’m understanding you. The CA one sees in $100 binoculars is on an atrocious level (almost toy like color fringing). Once you get over $300 or so the CA is more subtle and doesn’t jump out at you in the center of the field under average lighting conditions.
Take your time, don’t rush and enjoy the journey. Researching, talking to others who’ve gone through the quest (some still are) is part of the fun.
That’s part of the learning.
Yes there are. Papilio which is for small insects so that one maybe only after the winter passes will have a real use for me.
But there are Pentax UP and Pentax UP WP. I think both are Japanese brand but made in China. I just don’t know how good they are compared to Nikon Travelite EX.
No, I did not say that. What I say is that kind chromatic aberrations was not that anoying like like purple contours around the objects. Was not that annoying because allowed me to see details not blocked me like the other kind of chromatic aberrations found in porros that are bellow a certain large amount to money.
I figured out I see more details (only for birds in flight and aeroplanes ), I mean for objects with the sky in background and that are more prone to CA.
Yes for watching ducks or swans on the lake and for birds on the fences Svbony ED roofs are amazing binoculars. But for objects on the sky birds and aeroplanes the other 2 binoculars I took for test performed better.
The Japanese double hinge 8x21 roof with 131m (7.5 degs) field of view and no CA performed better most of the time despite being small, because I was able to to see details and follow the birds easy because of large fov and 27 mm eye non twistable eye soft rubber eye cups that come close to the eyes allowing to see the whole field of view.
The Occer had smaller field of view but was not too hard to follow the birds. But in some moments I have see more details of the birds on the flight that any other of the 3 binoculars in test. Here I have seen a small porro advantage, maybe low magnifications was also an advantage.
With Svbony 8x32 was hardest to follow the birds during the flight, especially when flying with the sky background or above my head. Despite its large fov 136m@1000m (7.87 angular degrees) I felt its fov like was smaller than the fov of my 8x21 Japanese binoculars. And it was a sensation that everything is disappearing way faster from its field of view compared with other 2 binoculars.
Was like birds are flying 2-3 times faster when using Svbony and I can’t see almost any details despite its large fov, mostly dark silhouettes of birds, like grey shadows. Birds should have had the same speed like watching them with the Japanese 8x21 because both these binoculars have the same magnification.
With Occer I can understand that the lower magnification made it possible to follow easily the birds despite its tiny field of view.
Don’t get me wrong Svbony is amazing for watching ducks and swans on the lake, and birds on the fences with a HD resolution and with an amazing light gathering even when low light conditions.
But for watching birds on the sky I preferred the Japanese 8x21 roof and the Occer.
The same magnification should have the same angle change when watching a bird at the same distance so the birds should be perceived that are flying equally fast.
Lower magnification should have a smaller angle change when watching a bird at the same distance so the bird should be perceived as flying slower.
Then I have a question: why birds are perceived to fly so fast (way too fast) with Svbony?
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47 posts later: Not in my wildest nightmares did I ever imagine simple buyer's remorse about not very intelligent shopping habits being such a fruitful topic. The desperate search for anyone but oneself to blame is quite tiresome. Especially in view of all the good advice already dispensed by helpful members. And of course freely available in this whole forum to those who can be bothered to do some work themselves instead of complaining about every good pointer they're being given.
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Spot on!
But every cloud has a silver lining. Sales are booming of my…….
‘Build a brick to bang your head against' construction kit.
I truly, truly give up.
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In this forum instead of getting some answers about optics, what I get from you are reproaches why don’t you buy a very an expensive pair of roofs. Actually why not buying it without fully understanding the value one can get for the extra money spent.
In real life is exactly the opposite. Some people get angry after finding how much one has spent on that pair of binoculars. Or if they ask to try them and after seeing a good image, they ask how much it was, and after finding the price they get directly into full hysteria when they find out that is far away of what they could afford. Some hysterics might even smash the binoculars if they are still in their hand.
I want a pair to get comfortable with not only from the ergonomics point of view. To can take them with me to a trip to Brazil without the risk of being mugged. So don’t reproach me why didn’t you bough binoculars that cost like a used car. Please understand that even if I would buy such binoculars also I would need a cheaper one for the trip to Brazil.
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tenex
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Binolover: how much must be spent to get quality acceptable to you is a problem that everyone faces all the time when purchasing anything. We can appreciate the added difficulties of lacking optics shops for hands-on comparison, of import fees etc, and then you have to do it all over a second time for a cheaper travel pair too! We can sympathize with this predicament, but can't magically determine what the perfect answer is for you, and aren't even being given a cost range because you insist on figuring out that too yourself, despite obviously not being in a position to. So this thread can serve no purpose except complaint, which rapidly grows tiresome. Kindly either find a way to do the research that will satisfy you, either by reading some existing threads here that still have some value or in person at whatever trouble or cost it takes, or just ask for a recommendation as most people do and take it. (At least it would be better to start with something well regarded like Nikon or Opticron than Occer.)
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nightheron28
Exterminate! Exterminate! Exxxtttteeeerrrrmmmiinat
I really wish you could get your hands on the nikon prostaff 8x25 (not sure what they are called on Europe). I found them to be better then more expensive roof prism bins for what its worth.
They are bright, clear, comfortable to look through with a wide fov and the occulars are large. My only complaint is they are not very compact and are a little struggle to whip out of the pocket and put back in. I dont know if I'm sensitive to CA but did not notice it. Wish you best of luck in your journey!
They are bright, clear, comfortable to look through with a wide fov and the occulars are large. My only complaint is they are not very compact and are a little struggle to whip out of the pocket and put back in. I dont know if I'm sensitive to CA but did not notice it. Wish you best of luck in your journey!
Can you explain please why disgusting?
Did you have you or your acquaintances bad experience after buying from them?
Were bad experience only when buying binoculars or were for other products as well?
I never bought binoculars from Amazon until now. But after seeing that the stores in my country don’t have the models I was looking for, or have only the 10x version because they don’t bother with 8x version to import, after that I decided to try with the largest international store because I didn’t know other European stores from where to buy safe with credit card. The British stores are not an option anymore because there are extra custom fees after Brexit. After the Brexit we didn’t know from where to buy stuff anymore internationally as the Britain was out of EU, but before was our main destination for online shopping.
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I bought my 8X30W Habicht from Amazon.
It turned out to be gray-market, but I refused to return it, in spite of Swarovski trying very hard to convince me to do so.
Amazon did not make it clear that they were/are selling gray-market glass through 6ave Electronics.
(or 6ave is selling gray-market glass through Amazon, depending on how you look at such things)
It turned out to be gray-market, but I refused to return it, in spite of Swarovski trying very hard to convince me to do so.
Amazon did not make it clear that they were/are selling gray-market glass through 6ave Electronics.
(or 6ave is selling gray-market glass through Amazon, depending on how you look at such things)
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But gray market are not fake products, are genuine products but sold in countries where the company did not authorized selling at that price because they would like to sell on that market for a much higher price.
So you got a genuine product for a lower price, good for you bad for Swaro, less profit for them. I don’t see a problem, especially if the price was so low that you didn’t want to return them.
That is correct, it is a genuine Habicht, confirmed by Swarovski.
The “catch” is that Swarovski NA will not warranty it, so if it needs service, it has to go to Austria, or a non-manufacturer repair service, on my nickel obviously. I doubt that will happen during my remaining lifetime.
Authorised dealers will order one from Austria for you, in a non-return basis. I wanted instant gratification, after many years of reading about the Habicht series, hence the order to Amazon.
Making your dream come true, a genuine Habicht for a small amount of money. That is a plus, not a minus for that store.
I’m not sure where you are getting this “small amount of money” from, but by all means carry on.
Good luck in your quest for something that will satisfy you.
You have already learned that cheap, off-brand optics are not good optics.
I wanted the mean smaller amount than would cost buying from one authorized dealer, because even on the gray market Habicht can’t be very affordable.
