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SeldomPerched

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Till this week I had almost never (1 exception) sold or parted with any bins obtained since getting the birds'n'bins bug a few years ago - that's years in single figures.

On Monday after some days' break from normal work and activities and with a day or two of walking and viewing for relaxation I decided I now had enough hours under my belt to know which bins didn't do it for me in practice, regardless of how good their specification.

That day, having led up to it with a bit of market testing and so not exactly a sudden impulse, I sold 5 bins in a very good deal to a shop that has served me well. It felt liberating to walk away with a good-sized cheque and no further purchases or exchanges to take a bite out of it.

But... I did try out an NL Pure 8x42 while there. I wanted to buy it but kept strong. The premises look out on to a small garden, including lots of bushes, flowers and blue tits -- they get everywhere it seems as they win their peanut battles at the garden feeders. Beyond that you can see the whole distance from 25 yards to about 2 miles as the hillside stretches up into the distance as far as a castle-like folly and a golf course. Despite dull damp-filled atmospheric conditions (just after rain) the NL cut through and gave, to my eyes, an exceptionally clear and beautiful view. I could easily make out a golf buggy moving across and two men in it at 2 miles. At closer range detail, lighting, colours were brilliant and the dioptre control design was so good that all was set up right first time without taking the bin from my face. Balance was great; I didn't give it a thought at the time. Dull conditions, so no glare but then ELs have not troubled me that way so I seem to be one of the lucky majority(?).

Long scene-setting here but now comes the main point. I wondered how many of you with more than one bin of the same format (say another 8x42 or maybe 7x42 / 8.5x42 or a really good 8x32) found the NL such an advance and so enjoyable that you have fallen out of love with the other models you have to the extent they now disappoint you. I have some favourites -- after selling the less favourites -- but wonder if the NL might change all that if I got one. And if I got one, then 2 or 3 others would go anyway as part of a deal I've made with myself. There was something very relaxing and refreshing about the NL as well as the clarity and colour.

If you have recent 8x42 SLC or 8.5x42 SV do they disapppoint after using NL (optically - esp the SV as it's got a closer family resemblance with flat field etc)? To me the SLC is pretty special so I'd be interested in your thoughts also if you have that 8x42 and compared with NL.

And does the wide FOV mean that the 7x42 FL/Dialyt T*P*/ UVHD Plus lose their point on the whole? Those are definite favourites -- till now? Not planning to make a move rightaway but info could help a decision to mature.

By the way, no wish at all to get an NL 32 while enjoying the compact FLs; for me at present if 32 isn't small then I head for 42.

Tom
 

BabyDov

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Supporter
United States
Go for it! At least, give the 8x42Nl a try for a more extended time than you spent in the shop. At least, that's when you will really be able to appreciate how much of a difference the Nls ergonomics will make for you, not to mention its superb optics. Most dealers allow for returns in the unlikely event, you don't like them that much.

You didn't mention which binoculars you did not sell. But whatever you have, you will have the chance to fully compare them to the Nls by taking the Nls home for a try. Only you can judge for yourself.
Nobody here can judge for you. (I can only tell you that I had tried the 8.5 x42 El but vastly preferred the 8x42 Nl. For me the deal breakers with the 8.5 El was its bulky ergonomics and 11 ft closet focusing distance.)
 

tenex

reality-based
Be warned: if you do give NL a more serious try, it's likely to replace any 42 you were using before. Not being a Swarovision fan, I was surprised how instantly I liked it... just a sucker for the AFOV, I suppose, along with its other excellent qualities. The only reason I haven't succumbed is that 42mm is not my preferred format. (But NL is so good I wonder whether even that could change...)

[Actually that's not the only reason, there's also the FieldPro nonsense...]
 
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jaymann

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I tried NLs 4 times and still went ack to ELs as i do not see the upgrade from ELs. I will take 600ish hit on ELs and then pay 2700ish for NLs. So not worth the upgrade for me. If I used it daily for hours then maybe but still not sure.
 

Maljunulo

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Many people seem to be fundamentally incapable of being content with what they have, or what exists.

They are forever chasing a device which exists only in their mind, and they criticize the real one for not being their imaginary one.

Just a passing general observation and not intended to apply to anyone in particular, but there are many examples in this forum.
 

dwever

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I never thought I would stop regretting selling my UVHD+ 7X42 or my Noctivids. I really regretted selling both. Upon the acquisition NL Pure 8X42, for the first time I had no regrets selling the other two. The NL Pures were that much better. And, I was not really a fan of the EL’s. The NL Pure for me has been everything I could want.
 
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Maljunulo

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I never got over selling my UVHD+ 7X42 or my Noctivids. I really regretted selling both. Upon the acquisition NL Pure 8X42, for the first time I had no regrets selling the other two. The NL Pures were that much better. Turns out, I am fundamentally capable of being content with what I have. View attachment 1387631
As am I.

After many years of "ordinary" binoculars, I bought my first "decent" set, which I used for ten or twelve years. They were replaced by the second set only after a direct comparison, and an admittedly slim margin of difference. They lasted for six or seven years, until inevitably advancing age forced me to buy something lighter, and therefor smaller.

I have been happy with each in turn, and have absolutely no regrets at having replaced the first two. Nor would I ever want to "trade back".

ETA: The more I use the present one, the more I enjoy using it. I notice that I am spending more time actually peering through the thing, and for longer times than I did the others.
 
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dwever

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The 115 ATX is for sale, the NL Pure is not and never has been. I’m enjoying the ATX 115 vastly in the mean time, and I have had second thoughts about it’s sale, it is an amazing instrument

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GrampaTom

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That day, having led up to it with a bit of market testing and so not exactly a sudden impulse, I sold 5 bins in a very good deal to a shop that has served me well. It felt liberating to walk away with a good-sized cheque and no further purchases or exchanges to take a bite out of it.
Tom, I read what you've written a little differently than the standard sort of responses, seem to address. There's birding. And there's bino collecting. As well, there is pleasure in buying something new and cool. Its hard sometime to know which of these goals a purchase speaks to. From time to time, fighting with my own penchant for gear headedness, I have to stop and ask what the bejesus am I doing? Why do I want another? Does it fill a functional niche? Is it better than what I have? If so, why keep those? Do the guys on Birdforum say I NEED this? Based on my, (your), experience, how I, (you), actually use these things, what works best, today, now?

Selling off 5 binos... I bet that felt good. Money is so neutral. It can go here or there. Very freeing. You get to decide all over again, where you want to go. The rationale for each of those 5 purchases either did or did not pan out over time. Now you have a second chance. We can only look through a binocular one at a time. Why not one really good binocular, the best that you can detect, at a point in time, for the way and places you bird? Buy it. Use it. Don't look back.

Or buy a set of golf clubs....

Just kidding

G'Tom
 

SeldomPerched

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Many people seem to be fundamentally incapable of being content with what they have, or what exists.

They are forever chasing a device which exists only in their mind, and they criticize the real one for not being their imaginary one.

Just a passing general observation and not intended to apply to anyone in particular, but there are many examples in this forum.
I agree with you and certainly enjoy very much the kit I already have, something that on the whole means I overlook and am not bothered by the inevitable compromises, but as the post was aimed in the title at those who already have and love the NL I think this post is in fact for those who are capable of being content with what they have just got!

I know there are many examples of criticizing the real one for not being their imaginary one. Till I looked through the NL though I didn't know how an imaginary one could ever beat the real ones. Anyway, I like my kit but if some find the NL leaves their other products in the dust it could be good or bad news; I can't work out which...
 

SeldomPerched

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Be warned: if you do give NL a more serious try, it's likely to replace any 42 you were using before. Not being a Swarovision fan, I was surprised how instantly I liked it... just a sucker for the AFOV, I suppose, along with its other excellent qualities. The only reason I haven't succumbed is that 42mm is not my preferred format. (But NL is so good I wonder whether even that could change...)

[Actually that's not the only reason, there's also the FieldPro nonsense...]
This is the sort of instinctive reaction I had the two times I have had a short look, and instinct to me is more reliable than rational thought though I know first impressions can be misleading and that in the case of an NL even with the balance it would be good to see how the weight affects things after more than just a few minutes of trialling. Field Pro; I know what you mean but in practice I don't mind it apart from having to twist one side or the other after use to get the neck part of the strap straight again.

On the other hand the quite different yet still very easy view through the SLC of the same format is a firm favourite and gave me many hours of birding pleasure all through last summer, so probably I should just have a strict talk to myself.
 

SeldomPerched

Well-known member
Go for it! At least, give the 8x42Nl a try for a more extended time than you spent in the shop. At least, that's when you will really be able to appreciate how much of a difference the Nls ergonomics will make for you, not to mention its superb optics. Most dealers allow for returns in the unlikely event, you don't like them that much.

You didn't mention which binoculars you did not sell. But whatever you have, you will have the chance to fully compare them to the Nls by taking the Nls home for a try. Only you can judge for yourself.
Nobody here can judge for you. (I can only tell you that I had tried the 8.5 x42 El but vastly preferred the 8x42 Nl. For me the deal breakers with the 8.5 El was its bulky ergonomics and 11 ft closet focusing distance.)
I hadn't really thought about being able to take them home for a try. A good idea but I'll leave it for a week or two and see if the urge will go away.
 

SeldomPerched

Well-known member
Tom, I read what you've written a little differently than the standard sort of responses, seem to address. There's birding. And there's bino collecting. As well, there is pleasure in buying something new and cool. Its hard sometime to know which of these goals a purchase speaks to. From time to time, fighting with my own penchant for gear headedness, I have to stop and ask what the bejesus am I doing? Why do I want another? Does it fill a functional niche? Is it better than what I have? If so, why keep those? Do the guys on Birdforum say I NEED this? Based on my, (your), experience, how I, (you), actually use these things, what works best, today, now?

Selling off 5 binos... I bet that felt good. Money is so neutral. It can go here or there. Very freeing. You get to decide all over again, where you want to go. The rationale for each of those 5 purchases either did or did not pan out over time. Now you have a second chance. We can only look through a binocular one at a time. Why not one really good binocular, the best that you can detect, at a point in time, for the way and places you bird? Buy it. Use it. Don't look back.

Or buy a set of golf clubs....

Just kidding

G'Tom
Tom, I like this post and its 2nd paragraph in particular; I didn't consciously think that way but reading your post that is exactly how I feel. But I shan't swing all the way down to just one even if it would do almost all I require. Using what is already there, now there's a lot less of it, will bring a second decision in good time.

Do people collect different sets of golf clubs that do the same thing?...

Tom
 

SeldomPerched

Well-known member
Be warned: if you do give NL a more serious try, it's likely to replace any 42 you were using before. Not being a Swarovision fan, I was surprised how instantly I liked it... just a sucker for the AFOV, I suppose, along with its other excellent qualities. The only reason I haven't succumbed is that 42mm is not my preferred format. (But NL is so good I wonder whether even that could change...)

[Actually that's not the only reason, there's also the FieldPro nonsense...]
I heed your warning; that was my hunch already... out of interest may I ask which format you do prefer?
 

SeldomPerched

Well-known member
Go for it! At least, give the 8x42Nl a try for a more extended time than you spent in the shop. At least, that's when you will really be able to appreciate how much of a difference the Nls ergonomics will make for you, not to mention its superb optics. Most dealers allow for returns in the unlikely event, you don't like them that much.

You didn't mention which binoculars you did not sell. But whatever you have, you will have the chance to fully compare them to the Nls by taking the Nls home for a try. Only you can judge for yourself.
Nobody here can judge for you. (I can only tell you that I had tried the 8.5 x42 El but vastly preferred the 8x42 Nl. For me the deal breakers with the 8.5 El was its bulky ergonomics and 11 ft closet focusing distance.)
You missed the close focus pre-'Legend' version by the sound of it; I wonder how you would have felt about the comparison then. It is a bit bulky though.
 
ZEISS. Discover the fascinating world of birds, and win a birding trip to Columbia
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