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Initial user impressions of the NL x52’s (1 Viewer)

Yes, the size is certainly quite niche for birdwatchers, although it would appear that distribution stateside is behind where we are this side of the Pond, which will obviously affect reporting on here.

I don't trust my grotty old eyes too much at the moment, although an upcoming cataract procedure should sort the grottier of the two. But, I sensed some differences in daytime performance between the 10x42's and 10x52's, which I'm intrigued to find out if others pick up on, without me provoking a response by asking a question (a question which is bound to lead to a thousand posts, arguments, eventual boredom and another locked thread ;) ).
Oh go on.

Speak now or forever hold your piece.:p

 
Oh go on.

Speak now or forever hold your piece.:p

I simply can't, I really don't want to be held responsible for Paul and Hermann popping pills and Dennis undertaking an enforced holiday, it wouldn't be right...no. 😇

I will, however, ask a slightly different question. Does anyone who's tried the x52's believe the coatings might be to a slightly different recipe to the rest of the NL range?
 
Yes, the size is certainly quite niche for birdwatchers, although it would appear that distribution stateside is behind where we are this side of the Pond, which will obviously affect reporting on here.

I don't trust my grotty old eyes too much at the moment, although an upcoming cataract procedure should sort the grottier of the two.
But, I sensed some differences in daytime performance between the 10x42's and 10x52's, which I'm intrigued to find out if others pick up on, without me provoking a response by asking a question (a question which is bound to lead to a thousand posts, arguments, eventual boredom and another locked thread ;) ).

I have NO idea what you are talking about! 🤓
 
I simply can't, I really don't want to be held responsible for Paul and Hermann popping pills and Dennis undertaking an enforced holiday, it wouldn't be right...no. 😇

I will, however, ask a slightly different question. Does anyone who's tried the x52's believe the coatings might be to a slightly different recipe to the rest of the NL range?
No, they are not.
 
I was over at Scheel's today because I wanted to see if they had any of the new Vortex UHD 8x32's. They didn't have any, but they did have the new 52mm NL's. So I compared the NL 10x52 to a Vortex UHD 10x50 that they had in stock.

The NL had of course a bigger FOV, and it was just slightly sharper at the edge, but unfortunately the new 52ML NL's still have that famous veiling glare at the bottom of the FOV that all NL's seem to have to varying degrees. The UHD on the other hand had better contrast, handled glare much better and seemed slightly brighter, probably due to the AK prisms.

The UHD's actually surprised me how good they were, especially on-axis. They just had more pop than the NL had, which I feel is due to better contrast. There is no doubt the NL is an excellent binocular, but I didn't feel it was worth 2x the price, even if you consider in build quality.

The NL 10x52 is also bigger in reality than the pictures seem to show them. They are a pretty long but slim binocular, and you can definitely feel the 36 oz. weight because that big 52ML objective is at the end of the binocular.

The UHD IMO is built every bit as well as the NL, and actually I liked the armor on the UHD better, and I bet it will last longer without peeling off. I know I personally would not pay twice the price for the NL after comparing it to the UHD.

"Popeye32 came to the same conclusion after comparing the NL 8x32 to the UHD 8x32. He liked the 'pop' of the UHD 8x32.

I was blown away by the UHD and the NL, but for me and my eyes it was the color profile of the UHD that I found mesmerizing, and it had a punch to the overall image that really made it very special. The UHD FOV is also extremely wide.


I viewed these at a different dealer to whom I spoke with, and he has NL’s himself. His opinion is that they are on par with the NL, most definitely also. I have to agree and think the NL was slightly more comfortable in the hand, but my preference due to the image pop of the UHD it’s where I’m going to be putting my money."
 
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I owned the 18x56 UHD for a minute. It was all I could handle. The CA was horrible with that glass on any ridge line, or skyline. They were not in the same class as the current SLC 15x56, in any way shape or form.
 
Not everyone can see that glare in the NL. No way does the Vortex compare to the NL to my eyes let alone build quality. I had the 12x50 UHD and compared it to my 12x42 NL pure. Not even close. But I did so extensively a lot of nights tripod mounted looking at the sky. NL is the closest binocular that I have seen that acts like an APO refractor.
I thought the Vortex UHD 10x50 was very high in build quality, but everybody's perception of quality is different. I didn't try the NL 12x42, so I don't know how that would compare.

Likewise, I compared the Vortex UHD 10x50 to the Swarovski NL 10x52 in daylight, which is different from the night sky. For example, contrast is not important in optics for astronomical use as it is for daylight use.

Astronomical performance would be different, and I would imagine the NL 12x42 with its flatter field and sharper edges would perform better on the night sky than the Vortex UHD 12x50, although the Vortex UHD 12x50 would go deeper and pick up fainter stars because of it's bigger aperture.

I agree that glare is very personal and not everyone sees the same glare that somebody else sees, although there have been a lot of glare complaints in the NL's and I have noticed glare to varying degrees in most of the formats which seems to be very critical upon eye cup adjustment and holding the binocular level with your eye sockets.


From Holger Merlitz Review.
"Stray light: The tendency to develop stray-light in some situations remains the only considerable weakness in both binoculars. In difficult light conditions, bright spots are emerging around the edges of the exit pupils, which tend to create partial whiteouts (in most cases a crescent-shaped glare in the lower half of the field) when the eye-pupils accidentally get in contact with them. A careful setting of eye cup positions and a certain discipline in the way and angle at which the instrument is held in front of the eyes go a long way to avoid these whiteouts in the vast majority of situations. Observer's reports vary wildly about the severeness of the glare, ranging from 'irrelevant' to 'irritating'. The fact is that there exist binoculars (including the Zeiss 8x32 SF) with a superior resistance against stray light."

From Binomania

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I owned the 18x56 UHD for a minute. It was all I could handle. The CA was horrible with that glass on any ridge line, or skyline. They were not in the same class as the current SLC 15x56, in any way shape or form.
A 18x56 is much harder to control for CA than a lower magnification like a 15x56. Almost every 18x binocular I have tried has had considerable CA compared to say a 8x or 10x or even 15x as you say.
 
I'd like to try these and compare to other 10x like the 10x42 NL. I'm obsessed with "viewability" which means ease of eye placement and lack of blackouts. What I've noticed is that the larger the exit pupil is (which means bigger aperture at the same mag), the higher the "viewability" is. In general. I don't have any equations to back that up, it could just be my vision :)

I bought the 10x56 SLC mostly for astronomy, but they're a dream to use during daytime because of the easy eye placement. Optically I like them better during the day than 10x35 and 10x42. Although the weight and size is of course huge, there are some nice benefits. Hopefully it's the same with the 52mm NL versus 42mm NL and others.

Nearly all 50mm binoculars weigh 35 ounces or more. I'm impressed that the weight of these is still 35 oz. with the extra aperture and the wide-field oculars and prisms that must be in these....just checked the local bird store - they're not stocking them, too bad. They never stocked the 50mm EL or 56mm SLC either. So I'll probably have to wait until Swaro day in September when the local rep visits until I can try them.
 
[. . .] While NL 56s look enticing, the SVs and SLCs in large aperture formats 50/56 are still excellent.
With great interest I am watching to see how many users will continue with the SLC 15x56 who try out the NL 14x52 and can afford it.

The opinion of all reviewers thus far of the NL 14x who compare these two (on reasoning only, none yet on a field test) is that its lighter weight and smaller size, handheld stability, wider field, and equal or improved optics, make it clearly better, for bird or nature watching, and for the other pastime, and probably for astronomy. In conveying useful detail the SLC 15x will even equal the NL 14x only when mounted, I believe.

In regard to magnification I cannot understand why Swaro. does not state it as 14.5x or 15x. This "14x" is plain incorrect. (Canip, thank you for first informing us.)

Personally (hence the interest): I have a Meopta 15x56, would not like to spend for a Swaro. NL 14x52, so think will try to sell it now before its price plunges, and wait for a less pricey but optically excellent alternative to Swaro. NL 14x52, in a rival product by Zeiss or Meopta et al., or a "copy" by Sky Rover et al.

In the meantime, or even to retain instead, I have the very good aperture-modified Alpen Teton 15x described here, to be soon opened up to 15x40, on tests already done. It weighs 790 g, vs 1,020 g for the Swaro "14x", and 1,200 g for both the Swaro. SLC and Meopta 15xs.

For long I have wondered why the best ~15x models were not made closer to 50 than 56 mm, for the reasons above. Below is a pic. I put together from internet photos/?video/s some years ago showing the dramatic size, and hence also weight, difference of 50 vs 56 mm. I now forget who the reviewer is (sorry, and if you are reading this thank you!) or what the binos are, but think they are both Kowas, and of comparable optical quality. The two images are normalized by making the gent's dimensions equal.

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56 mm captures just 16% more light than 52 mm, and 25% more than 50 mm.
 
In regard to magnification I cannot understand why Swaro. does not state it as 14.5x or 15x. This "14x" is plain incorrect. (Canip, thank you for first informing us.)
It's not 15x and if it was billed that way people would riot if they saw a lower magnification, getting more magnification is more likely to be considered an attribute.

I think the marketing answer is manifold: "14x" is easier to sell since the customer might be confused by 14.5x, they can also bill the exit pupil (erroneously) as bigger, and just like the 52mm it makes the binocular unique and harder to compare with 15x or 50mm binoculars on the market.

The engineering answer (I'm not an engineer, or a marketer for that matter, I'm just speculating based on the info I have seen) is that there might be too much sample variance in the magnification, it's somewhere between 14 and 15x but different sources report 14.2x, 14.5x, 14.6x etc. Finally it might have just worked out that way. They might have been aiming for 15x but 14.4x (+/- 0.2) got better results. Optics design is 100% about compromise, there is no optic made without compromise, and that might have been what worked out best, optically and financially.
 
OrangeO: So far I had seen (?+heard in video/s) the actual magnification of this model stated, i.e. measured or indirectly reported, in only 3 instances, and these were, 14.6 in 2, and 14.7 in 1.

Some years ago in BF there was a discussion, with the involvement of experts, on actual magnification. My understanding after reading it through was that with higher-quality makes and most other models it is only +/- 0.1 or 0.2 off the stated figure.

Swaro. already labels magnification with "0.5", in the very popular EL 8.5x42.

Figure jugglery for marketing is possible but who knows. One can note, though, that the exit pupil in the popular (?over to Jan!) 12x42 is 3.50 mm, in 14.5x52 it is larger at 3.58 mm and in 15x52 almost there at 3.47 mm (while in 14x52 it is 3.71 mm).
 
OrangeO: So far I had seen (?+heard in video/s) the actual magnification of this model stated, i.e. measured or indirectly reported, in only 3 instances, and these were, 14.6 in 2, and 14.7 in 1.

Some years ago in BF there was a discussion, with the involvement of experts, on actual magnification. My understanding after reading it through was that with higher-quality makes and most other models it is only +/- 0.1 or 0.2 off the stated figure.

Swaro. already labels magnification with "0.5", in the very popular EL 8.5x42.

Figure jugglery for marketing is possible but who knows. One can note, though, that the exit pupil in the popular (?over to Jan!) 12x42 is 3.50 mm, in 14.5x52 it is larger at 3.58 mm and in 15x52 almost there at 3.47 mm (while in 14x52 it is 3.71 mm).
Here at the 3:27 mark a Swarovski rep quotes it as 14.3x or 14.4x.

You make a good point about the 8.5x but 8-10x is the most popular binocular magnification so that would be far easier for customers to digest. It even becomes a bonus for people who can't decide between the two. The client base for 14-15x might be smaller and they didn't want to muddy the waters.
 

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