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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lawts" data-source="post: 1214432" data-attributes="member: 44047">The debate was about ticking though and not the merits of re-introduction.  For ticking purposes they and other such birds are pretty plastic for life (probably year list as well) purposes.  The exception for me is Red Kite where all Yorkshire birders and authorities accept the re-introduced birds so I'd be fighting against a pro-tick tide, so i count them.But, Corncrakes, Cirl Buntings, Cranes, White-tailed eagles - glad I've got 'em pre-intro.  Parking the conservation merits for a moment, what do you do now with a Corncrake say in Lincolnshire - wild bird or Cambridgeshire overshoot, or a Cirl Bunting somewhere between Plymouth and the Cornish re-introduction area?It does taint the record for me because you want to know it's a wild bird.</blockquote>