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<blockquote data-quote="brocknroller" data-source="post: 1649190" data-attributes="member: 665"><p>Perhaps another evening then. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>You say pa TAH toe, Mark says pa TAY toe (and Dan Quayle spells it that way <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. </p><p></p><p>Either sample variation runs rampart with the midsized FLs (which would be surprising at this price point, though I did read one reviewer who got two bad samples, one out of collimation and one with pinched optics), or some of the fuzz is due to field curvature, which you can accommodate and he can't, or there is some other variable here. </p><p></p><p>I don't know why the two of you have very different perceptions of the same bin, but having read many posts on this bin, I know that your disagreement over the sweet spot size is not unique. </p><p></p><p>I'd have to get my eyes behind one to know for sure how it would work for me, but from all that I read, there's too many complaints about the fuzzy edges (regardless of the size of the sweet spot) for me to bite. </p><p></p><p>IOW, I'm not prepared to trade Manuel my 8x32 SE for his 8x32 FL even if it was a straight trade. If he threw in $500 cash, I'd seriously consider it. </p><p></p><p>I PMed someone who has had both the 8x32 FL and 7x42 (or was it 8x42?) model, and he said that he couldn't tolerate the fuzzy edges on the midsized model but that the fall off was more gradual in the full sized model and like me, he likes good edges on his bins. </p><p></p><p>But edge sharpness is not really the biggest issue for me with the midsized FL/HD/fill in the blank with closed bridge midsized roofs. </p><p></p><p>I couldn't hold one steady even if it was sharp to the edge like the Nikon LX. </p><p></p><p>The 8x32 FL is also too lightweight @ under 20 oz. I need more weight in a roof to steady the shakes. </p><p></p><p>What I need in a roof is something heavier, bulkier, something that's built like a brick Scheißehaus: </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=655615" target="_blank">http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=655615</a></p><p></p><p>If only it had shallow thumb indents and a bit less pincushion, then I could flaunt the red dot (which compliments the green color nicely, I must say <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. </p><p></p><p>But that's me. You seem very happy with your 8x32 FL, more than you were with the 8x32 SE and 8x30 EII, and obviously there are also a lot of other satisfied middie FL customers out there. </p><p></p><p>I even read a rave review of the 10x32 model on a hunting Website. </p><p></p><p>So Zeiss middies have their loyal band of followers, but I will never be one of their Merry Men. </p><p></p><p>Not unless they reissue the Zeiss Oberkochen 8x30 with updated coatings. In which case, you can call me Friar Tuck. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brocknroller, post: 1649190, member: 665"] Perhaps another evening then. :-) You say pa TAH toe, Mark says pa TAY toe (and Dan Quayle spells it that way :-). Either sample variation runs rampart with the midsized FLs (which would be surprising at this price point, though I did read one reviewer who got two bad samples, one out of collimation and one with pinched optics), or some of the fuzz is due to field curvature, which you can accommodate and he can't, or there is some other variable here. I don't know why the two of you have very different perceptions of the same bin, but having read many posts on this bin, I know that your disagreement over the sweet spot size is not unique. I'd have to get my eyes behind one to know for sure how it would work for me, but from all that I read, there's too many complaints about the fuzzy edges (regardless of the size of the sweet spot) for me to bite. IOW, I'm not prepared to trade Manuel my 8x32 SE for his 8x32 FL even if it was a straight trade. If he threw in $500 cash, I'd seriously consider it. I PMed someone who has had both the 8x32 FL and 7x42 (or was it 8x42?) model, and he said that he couldn't tolerate the fuzzy edges on the midsized model but that the fall off was more gradual in the full sized model and like me, he likes good edges on his bins. But edge sharpness is not really the biggest issue for me with the midsized FL/HD/fill in the blank with closed bridge midsized roofs. I couldn't hold one steady even if it was sharp to the edge like the Nikon LX. The 8x32 FL is also too lightweight @ under 20 oz. I need more weight in a roof to steady the shakes. What I need in a roof is something heavier, bulkier, something that's built like a brick Scheißehaus: [URL="http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=655615"]http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=655615[/URL] If only it had shallow thumb indents and a bit less pincushion, then I could flaunt the red dot (which compliments the green color nicely, I must say :-). But that's me. You seem very happy with your 8x32 FL, more than you were with the 8x32 SE and 8x30 EII, and obviously there are also a lot of other satisfied middie FL customers out there. I even read a rave review of the 10x32 model on a hunting Website. So Zeiss middies have their loyal band of followers, but I will never be one of their Merry Men. Not unless they reissue the Zeiss Oberkochen 8x30 with updated coatings. In which case, you can call me Friar Tuck. :-) [/QUOTE]
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