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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spyglass" data-source="post: 1699084" data-attributes="member: 18470">No matter how good the new (neu?) Swarovskis are, for me they will be Swear-offskis. No more plunges.....I've taken two plunges the last 18mo and that sorta thing hasta be stopped. So the new ELs will hafta stay at the Swarovski store.....for now.And since the subject came up, I, too, use a giant Chinese bino (Garrett 20x80 TWP-CF), but more for terrestrial than cosmological viewing. It's the best of that size (I've tried 3 others, none of which were keepers), and being both center focus & waterproof, leave little to be desired. After peering thru a scope for 20-30 seconds, your eyes need a rest, but using both thru the big 20x, I'm good for 2-3 minutes....and using both eyeballs, get resolution equal to 24x (on a Pentax PF80/XL21, which is a very good view) using one. And for $280 nothing will touch it. And it doesn't have particularly soft edges or noticable field curvature. It makes the logic of keeping the scope....strained.</blockquote>