Is the best roof in the world better optically than the best porro? (1 Viewer)

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Zeiss can`t sit on the FL fence forever, at some point they will need a top 32mm to match the 42mm`.

Have you tried an HT yet ?

No. I saw one on A-mart for $1500.00.

 

[ceasar]

All Dennis is interested in doing is starting arguments. He admits it here:

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=2349208&postcount=1

"Let the arguing begin." About Dennis's real intentions!

I say that it is now very clear that Dennis's sole purpose and goal on Bird Forum is to start arguments. What say you?

 

[Pileatus]

All Dennis is interested in doing is starting arguments. He admits it here:

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=2349208&postcount=1

"Let the arguing begin." About Dennis's real intentions!

I say that it is now very clear that Dennis's sole purpose and goal on Bird Forum is to start arguments. What say you?

Arguments are often quite reasonable and productive. Dennis talks about binoculars; you guys talk about Dennis. An interesting look into human nature, I'd say.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

Never cared for the Katmai. Poor contrast. Seemed kind of dead to me. The CL is very good though. Underated by most. It has excellent contrast.

I remember wishing the Katmai was a little brighter too.
After the Katmai I acquired a 7x42 Leupold.

 

[Kammerdiner]

...
I say that it is now very clear that Dennis's sole purpose and goal on Bird Forum is to start arguments. What say you?

I have a hard time caring about "Dennis's sole purpose."

But the results are certainly amusing.

Mark

 

[Troubador]

How sure of a thing is the Zeiss HT 8x32? Is it coming out in 6 months or a year or two?

Watch my lips: there will be no HT 8x32, period.

Eventually the FL 8x32 will be replaced. Eventually.


TroubaLee

 

[Chosun Juan]

Paleface speak with forked tongue !! 8-P

 

[Troubador]

Paleface speak with forked tongue !! 8-P

Paleface speak with Great Spirit, him tell all to Paleface, Paleface says to Chosun Juan: no little HT comes this way. Chosun Juan should listen to wise words of Paleface and if little HT comes not, within 12 moons from now, she must pay Paleface much wampum!

So there.

Lee

 

[Chosun Juan]

Paleface speak with Great Spirit, him tell all to Paleface, Paleface says to Chosun Juan: no little HT comes this way. Chosun Juan should listen to wise words of Paleface and if little HT comes not, within 12 moons from now, she must pay Paleface much wampum!

So there.

Lee

Great Spirit is a woman! :cat: Paleface just speak with hired help (for mowing lawns, and putting out garbage!)



Chosun :gh:

 

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I found when comparing them that to my eyes from a pure optic quality stand point- the 8x30 Habicht did not hold any back seat to the SV. The on axis resolution of the Habicht is simply fantastic and it is every bit as sharp as the SV in that regard- in fact it may be sharper. The little Habicht is very bright and to my eyes it resolved more detail and had better contrast than the current Nikon EII that I compared it to. I did not have an SE when I wrote that impression, but last summer when I compared the SE to the SV they were very, very close when it came to contrast and detail resolution.

In an overall binocular package the SV is a probably a better "package" of parts than the Habicht ( or include the SE in the same way)- but from a strict optics stand point the Habicht and the SE hang right with the SV. In fact there are certainly things that may be better optically about those porro's; - for one being that, and this is hard to pin point exactly with words, but to me the Habicht just had an easier effortless view if you will. You just big them up and point them at what you are looking at and the view is sharp and crisp. It does have a couple minor faults, but over all it is a great optical instrument.

But, to me the 8x32 SV may be the Decathlon champion of binoculars. I had mentioned this before, and I thought that analogy again a couple weeks ago when our own local World record holder and Olympic Champion Decathlete (Ashton Eaton) won the recent World Championship. He did not have every event that he did be the best of everyone, or even his best- but it was still overall better than everyone else. To me the 8x32 SV is like that and maybe even more so- in that it is very strong ( exceptional really) in almost every category; and really does not have weak ones. Other than if you are one of those effected by its flat field design ( the infamous RB). It may just be the overall bino champ.

For disclosure purposes- I personally do not presently own a SV.

Stephen

Thanks for going over some of the highlights of your excellent review of these great binoculars. I understand why you consider the SV the better overall choice since modern roofs have several "options" that are lacking on most porros, such as ease of focussing in colder weather, twist up eyecups, full waterproofing, etc.

Dennis's original post however only asked the question concerning optical performance and in this area the alpha roofs aren't any better and like you I find the optics in the premium porros at least as good if not better than the alpha roofs. I looked for your post comparing the 8x32 SV and the 8x30 Habicht but couldn't find it, the only one I found was your post comparing the 8x32 EL, 8x30 SLC NEU, and 8x30 CL. If you could point me in the right direction I would like to read your comparison of the SV and Habicht again.

I remember the post concerning the sale of your 8x32SV and totally understand and agree with your decision, I would have done the same thing myself under the circumstances.

Steve

 

[Troubador]

Great Spirit is a woman! :cat: Paleface just speak with hired help (for mowing lawns, and putting out garbage!)



Chosun :gh:

Chosun Juan knows not of which she speaks. Great Spirit speaks through the Manitou. Manitou have no gender, all things have their Manitou. Paleface speaks to Manitou of Wetzlar who is all-knowing.

Wetzlar Manitou speaks and says: how many more times do I have to tell you, there ain't no HT 32mm????????!!!!!!!:C

Paleface looks forward to much wampum from misguided and willful CJ.

TroubaLee

 

[BruceH]

How sure of a thing is the Zeiss HT 8x32? Is it coming out in 6 months or a year or two?

If the question were changed to "How sure of a thing is it that Zeiss will becoming out with a 8X32 FL replacement", then I would say excellent based on my interpretation of some of the comments by the Zeiss reps left on the Zeiss sub-forum. The market doesn't leave them much of a choice.

The basic questions in my mind are what will it be called, when will it come out, and what are the specs.

My expectations are......
- very sharp center view.
- extremely bright for the size.
- excellent handling of stray light.
- Nice handling.

You can wait, or get all of that right now in a 8X42 HT, if you can be happy with a 42 mm.

No. I saw one on A-mart for $1500.00.

Actually, it ultimately went for $1,350, you missed out. Cameraland is currently offering a discount on a demo 8X42 HT, but not like the rare deal just ended on Astromart.

 

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I do know most understand where this post is coming from.

I have mentioned this before, but anyone who likes to inflame,
and declare things the best, etc. is just a troll.

Just an attention getter, optics are secondary. It is easy to pick
out the best optics, some guys just like to play around, and draw
attention to themselves.

Don't feed the troll.|[email protected]| Think about that, when posting to this guys
posts, the next time around. That means ignore and let it go.

Jerry

Jerry

Ignoring his antics and just letting it go as you say is probably the way to the
procede when it comes to Dennis's posts. I used to think that if you used one of his previous posts to point out his multitude of complete reversals and the absurdity of his posts when viewed in their overall context it would somehow hinder him but such isn't the case. Most people are concerned about their credibility but not only does Dennis lack any credibility as a reviewer but he actually doesn't care when others point out his lack of credibility because they have to make another post on his thread to do so.

I truly believe Dennis is a bit of an egomaniac and just cares about the number of posts in one of his threads, even when many of the posts are critical (and rightly so) of his methods and lack of objectivity when comparing binoculars. I like to think I was doing the right thing in the past when pointing out certain things in one of Dennis's threads but in reality I probably was accomplishing little more than "feeding the troll".

Steve

 

[David Swain]

The success of Dennis' threads, despite our best intentions, relies on one consistent fact about his online persona: he seems childlike--vain, fickle, insecure, solipsistic, arguing solely by assertion--and we take him up on these things to prove we are adults, and not like him. His game rankles us because we think he ought to know better, or that we can teach him to be better. Every single thread since about 1997 follows this pattern. It ceased to be about optics long ago.

David

 

[pompadour]

Lee, not sure of the Wetzlar Manitou's standing among spirits and go-betweens, but down here we think his /her announcements are a bit dicey. This time he's not even entertaining us with videos in the meanwhile - can you not arrange for that at least?

 

[bh46118]

Every time Dennis post's a thread, he makes all the respondents look like fools. Me included at times. If he posts anything, you can bet it will blow up.

Jerry

Ignoring his antics and just letting it go as you say is probably the way to the
procede when it comes to Dennis's posts. I used to think that if you used one of his previous posts to point out his multitude of complete reversals and the absurdity of his posts when viewed in their overall context it would somehow hinder him but such isn't the case. Most people are concerned about their credibility but not only does Dennis lack any credibility as a reviewer but he actually doesn't care when others point out his lack of credibility because they have to make another post on his thread to do so.

I truly believe Dennis is a bit of an egomaniac and just cares about the number of posts in one of his threads, even when many of the posts are critical (and rightly so) of his methods and lack of objectivity when comparing binoculars. I like to think I was doing the right thing in the past when pointing out certain things in one of Dennis's threads but in reality I probably was accomplishing little more than "feeding the troll".

Steve

 

[Chosun Juan]

Chosun Juan knows not of which she speaks. Great Spirit speaks through the Manitou. Manitou have no gender, all things have their Manitou. Paleface speaks to Manitou of Wetzlar who is all-knowing.

Wetzlar Manitou speaks and says: how many more times do I have to tell you, there ain't no HT 32mm????????!!!!!!!:C

Paleface looks forward to much wampum from misguided and willful CJ.

TroubaLee

Paleface - Chosun know much about the "dreaming" ...... o

Yes, yes, yes, Manitou, Om and Ka, an all dat truck - but only the missus is always right! (Jeez, you menfolk are slow on the uptake!) :-O

Methinkum 8x32 HT will have more to to with 'sweat shop' than 'sweat lodge'! |<|

Wetzlar Manitou tell porkies like other Paleface - "deny, deny, deny" ...... 'HTgate' will go down in history alongside 'Zippergate' ("I did not have s*xual relations with that woman"!), WMD, and other forked tongues ........ :news:

Dennis sees no "WOW" :bounce: with merely *perfunctory* SV |:|| ....... hurry up and build'em 8x32 HT pronto! :king:



Chosun :gh:

 

[pompadour]

Every time Dennis ... posts anything ... it will blow up.

Folks! When I said nearly 60 posts back: "Has any one individual with the exception of Galileo been so much discussed in connection with optics as Dennis?" I was only wondering, not requesting your further support to establish that as a fact. But the efforts continue, relentlessly...

On the bright side, Dennis, Pileatus and Mark keep reminding me of Horatius and his two heroic companions. "... I, with two more to help me,/ will hold the foe in play./ In yon strait path, a thousand/ may well be stopped by three:/ Now, who will stand on either hand/ and keep the bridge with me?"

A suggestion to all: why not save your intellectual and emotional energy, and join Lee, CJ and me in discussing the spirit world - more pleasant and useful (IMHO).

BTW, quoting myself (now from whom did I learn that) again: "... the original-post question was fully answered by Holger in the very next post (#2), and, personally, I think the thread could have ended there ... :bounce:"

 

[Chosun Juan]

.... a 8X42 HT .... ultimately went for $1,350 ..... on Astromart.

Dayum ! (o)<

 

[stephen b]

Stephen

.............. I looked for your post comparing the 8x32 SV and the 8x30 Habicht but couldn't find it, the only one I found was your post comparing the 8x32 EL, 8x30 SLC NEU, and 8x30 CL. If you could point me in the right direction I would like to read your comparison of the SV and Habicht again.
............

Steve

Steve- Here you go:

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=251846