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Is this a chukar (1 Viewer)

Chrisshell

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Hi all my daughter took this picture this morning in the godalming Surrey area and we would like to confirm what she saw
 

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Alexander Stöhr

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Not a definitive answer, but one to alert others:
this bird seems to lack a brownish tinge to the neck/back and the spotted neckband does not reaches down to the breast (variable and dependent on posture) and consists of not enough black spots for a pure Red legged Partridge.
This can be explained by low picture quality (looks like a picture from a mobile phone with much sharpening/jpeg artefacts?), but:
It looks like a RLP x Chukar hybrid which occur in Britain.
 

Nutcracker

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Ditto to Red-legged Partridge. Note that the black band below the white throat has a necklace of black spots below it; Chukar doesn't have those black spots. You also don't get Chukars in Britain (it's actually illegal for gamekeepers to release them).

PS Welcome to Birdforum!
 

Alexander Stöhr

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Thanks Nutcracker, I must admit my information is outdated. I remember considering hybrids when I visited Britain in 1993 but I hope for more comments like yours with more information.
I am not an expert in variation of RLP, as I dont looked closely when I saw them. But as I cant remember seeing a RLP with such an less black spotted breast band before, I wrote my comment.

And sorry: forgot the most important thing: welcome to birdforum!
 
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Nutcracker

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Thanks Nutcracker, I must admit my information is outdated. I remember considering hybrids when I visited Britain in 1993 but I hope for more comments like yours with more information.
I am not an expert in variation of RLP, as I dont looked closely when I saw them. But as I cant remember seeing a RLP with such an less black spotted breast band before, I wrote my comment.

And sorry: forgot the most important thing: welcome to birdforum!
Not sure exactly when the law banning Chukar releases was brought in, but at a guess, pretty soon after your visit (y)
 

Joern Lehmhus

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Spotting is a bit variable (and would´nt be all visible here) and other features seem all OK for Redlegged Partridge- given the quality of the photo (no offence meant) I´d agree this is a Redlegged partridge.
 

Alexander Stöhr

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Thank you Jörn and Nutcracker,
as I havent seen a RLP with such a necklace (pale grey, sullied whitish with just a few scattered black dots) before: is this within variation for this species? Or is the (only) reason for this picture, that details are lost to jpeg/picture artefacts coupled with low resoution?
 

Nutcracker

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Thank you Jörn and Nutcracker,
as I havent seen a RLP with such a necklace (pale grey, sullied whitish with just a few scattered black dots) before: is this within variation for this species? Or is the (only) reason for this picture, that details are lost to jpeg/picture artefacts coupled with low resoution?
I reckon the latter - just 110 kb means very low quality.
 
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