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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rosbifs" data-source="post: 3610633" data-attributes="member: 35084">Awesome - I had thought that they were candidates! I was going to write 'clearly' thought but as per my original post I was getting confused. I had found ChrisKten wing formula on a previous discussion on Common vs Lesser post and one where on the photo I had come to the 'wrong' conclusion.Can we take this one step further and say lets assume they were all Lesser - assuming that none are definately common (although could be) - but lets just say they were all Lesser and examine if there are there other features that could be used for id, for instance a)in the first couple of photos the upperwing pattern shows white edges to the primaries - I had clocked something in Forsman so will go back and checkb)the eye pattern - I noted above - lacking a black stripec)the hovering bird shows the tail pattern but not the back sadly so I don't think there is enough to differentiate on pattern, with the dead bird we had in Luz a couple of years ago the back pattern was a featured)the tail - some really do a long centre tail - 'kes 6'Or are these too marginal?Anyway, really chuffed but just wondered if could use as educational or whether best left...</blockquote>