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Large objective APM binoculars? (1 Viewer)

sidpost

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https://www.apm-telescopes.de/en/bi...16x80-ed-apo-magnesium-series-binoculars.html

https://www.apm-telescopes.de/en/bi...agnesium-ed-apo-binocular-nitrogen-fill1.html

With all the talk of the Fujinon and APM binoculars, I have been considering some in a higher magnification versus the search for some of the older Zeiss binoculars or newer Swarovski or Steiner options. These APM options run 1/3 to 1/6 the price of a newer generation Zeiss set so, that and near-term availability (assuming DHL, not USPS which is losing my packages) is attractive too.

I wear glasses so, eye relief is important. For exit pupil size, I would like to stay in the 5mm~6mm range but that is not a hard limit. The Field of View needs to reasonable so, less than 180' or 60m is getting a bit tight.

I will be using these during the day so, they need to be more than Astronomical bins. I will be either be bringing in 'close' (~150'/~50m) stuff for detailed observation or using them along coastlines for seabirds and ships or, in mountains to look across the valley or up the mountain. And yes, I realize these are in the 5#/2.5Kg range so, brief hand-holding will frequently be a challenge. I have a couple carbon fiber tripods so, those are the near-term option but I will likely end up with a Mono-pod in the not so distant future for a better backpack and car travel set.

I have Athlon Optics Cronus 12-36x50 and 20-60x86 ED Spotting Scopes so, these bins need to complement those and provide some limited 'hand-holding' capability.

So, given ~$1,000USD landed, is either or both of these bin options good for my usage and concerns with eye relief and FOV? Am I overlooking something from another vendor or manufacturer?

Thanks!
Sid
 

sidpost

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For distant objects, individual focus is not an issue. If you are viewing an astronomical object that is changing its proximity fast enough to warrant a center-focus instrument, you have a LOT MORE to worry about than focusing a binocular. ‘Just sayin’.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

If a large astronomical object is headed my way and changing proximity so fast I think I need to refocus, I'm dropping them and running for my life!

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

CharleyBird

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This shows the Leica 10x32 with the APM 16x70...note this is not the bulkier 16x80 you are considering.
The tripod connection is not ideal, and I'm going to get an adapter, such as the Berlebach binocular support.
Also strongly suggest checking Canips website (Binoculars Today) for reviews of various APM if you haven't already.

Andy
 
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WIN_20210117_12_45_48_Pro (2).jpg


WIN_20210117_12_44_16_Pro (2).jpg




WIN_20210117_12_47_58_Pro (2).jpg

This shows the Leica 10x32 with the APM 16x70...note this is not the bulkier 16x80 you are considering.
The tripod connection is not ideal, and I'm going to get an adapter, such as the Berlebach binocular support.
Also strongly suggest checking Canips website (Binoculars Today) for reviews of various APM if you haven't already.

Andy
Now THAT is a binocular! That APM 16x70 Porro will eat a Swarovski SLC 15x56 for dinner for 1/3 the price!
 
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dries1

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I have the Nikon Astroluxe 18X70, I am sure the APM 16X70 is also a fine glass, but I use my SLC 15X56 for many more viewing options than my 18X70 IF.

Andy W.
 

Conndomat

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Swarovski SLC 15x56 HD от статив е невероятно остър. За мен това е най-добре направеното ...
What is this constant crap doing here?
Don't you have a translation program in a pinch?

Andreas
 

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I have the Nikon Astroluxe 18X70, I am sure the APM 16X70 is also a fine glass, but I use my SLC 15X56 for many more viewing options than my 18X70 IF.

Andy W.
I agree that the SLC 15x56 is more versatile because of its smaller size and weight. But If you mounted them both on a tripod and used them to observe wildlife from 100 yards from an optics point of view which one gives the best view and what is there about it, you like better?
 

CharleyBird

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sidpost,

I hope the photos emphasise that these big bins are not designed for backpacking or hand-holding. I got them for occasional astronomy knowing they would have to be tripod mounted because of shake, size and weight.
I've carried 9x63 for a few hours along an estuary as an experiment and it wasn't fun, and they were centre focus.
If I had a house with a vista I'd maybe consider bigger, like a permanently fixed 25x100APO

Maybe there's an excuse to buy two...
"In this way you get away from the supposed egg-laying woolly milk pig and instead work with two complementary specialists."
And that is why my wardrobe shelf is filled with nine different binoculars
 

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APM makes a nice 25x100 APO. They would be nice on a tripod overlooking an ocean view.

 

sidpost

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I have handheld my 20-60x86 spotting scope for brief periods. While not easy or really practical in most cases, it is possible.

These big bins with a carbon fiber tripod aren't that hard to backpack to a good spot. Yes, 8lb~10lb makes this system a bit heavy but, depending on use might be a good option for some people. Resting my arms on a fence, table, or something similar will make hand-holding easier though not as steady probably as a good tripod.

Is it better or worse than packing my spotting scope? 🤔
 

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I have handheld my 20-60x86 spotting scope for brief periods. While not easy or really practical in most cases, it is possible.

These big bins with a carbon fiber tripod aren't that hard to backpack to a good spot. Yes, 8lb~10lb makes this system a bit heavy but, depending on use might be a good option for some people. Resting my arms on a fence, table, or something similar will make hand-holding easier though not as steady probably as a good tripod.

Is it better or worse than packing my spotting scope? 🤔
For extreme long distance nothing beats a spotting scope but those big binoculars on a carbon fiber monopod carried in your back seat would be great for wider angle views and wildlife spotting. Nothing beats using two eyes in a binocular.
 

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