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Lark ID help (1 Viewer)

george-spiridakis

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Hi all,

would like to hear some opinions, to help identifying this lark species. All i can tell now is that is a Lesser Short-toed Lark 'Calandrella rufescens' type.

With the recent split of the rufescens group though it becomes really difficult and confusing for me, besides the fact i don't have any particular experience with that group.

Only details i can add is that it was photographed few days ago in northern Greece and it is a lifer for me.

Thank you in advance,

Giorgos

P.S.: Please add on your comments some tips on IDing the species/ subspecies if posible._DSC2814.CO ed copy.jpg_DSC2806.CO ed copy.jpg
 
Looks like a lesser short-toed lark, it's in Greece (it's good to give the actual location when you're asking for an ID), so it's what some people call Mediterranean short-toed lark. I don't think there's any mystery or confusion.
 
quite unlikely during winter in northern Greece, Butty. I'd rather expect a Turkestan Short-toed Lark (A. heinei heinei) to winter over there. Turkish A. heinei aharonii seems rather sedentary. Can't help with the phenotypic identification though.
 
Hmm, OK, I guess the point is is it wintering Turkestan short-toed lark... I'll retire in confusion...
(x-posted with Lou)
 
Is it really that simple?

Both species have been seen in Cyprus the late winter/early spring, and the same goes for Israel, where Mediterranean is by far commoner of the two. Greece appears to outside the normal range of both.

I have heard that many observers find them impossible to tell apart.
 
So practically is impossible to tell whether is the Mediterranean Short-toed Lark 'Alaudala rufescens' or the Turkestan 'Alaudala henei'. Only if it's winter visitor we can speculate is most likely the latter..
Is it officially accepted whether the 2 are considered different species and not subspecies?
 
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