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Message: <blockquote data-quote="temmie" data-source="post: 3786880" data-attributes="member: 58016">You make it sound like it's and if/if, but for me it's no choice: you can combine the use of a laser without any less welfare for the bird. I have bothered more birds by simply walking on trails and flushing them (100ths), than by pointing them out with the laser point aimed at a safe distance (none). So if the issue is the welfare of birds, there are more urgent issues. Contrary to what another poster said, I have seen birds move or fly because of a laser pointer (both time guides using the pointer to draw circles around the bird, with the bird clearly flushed because of the reflection of the laser, or even some direct laser on the bird), and ofcourse me or others have warned said guides that their laser techniques were not really helping either the birds nor the observers as birds were being flushed.Besides that, I really don't see anything wrong using a laser pointer as long as it is done correctly. [disclaimerI am well aware of dangers of single-wavelength concentrated light beams]</blockquote>