Latest IOC Diary Updates (6 Viewers)

[Jacana]

As for Diary listings...it's typically not our practice to post every update we make in the Diary. We generally reserve those Diary announcements for Proposed Splits and Lumps, Taxonomic Updates and Species Updates. It's always a good idea to visit our Updates pages regularly to see what's happening also on the English name and subspecies fronts.

On that topic, I notice that there is an error on the subspecies page. The "notes and sources" comment for Crowned Lapwing is a copy of the Nubian Nightjar entry.

 

[DDonsker]

On that topic, I notice that there is an error on the subspecies page. The "notes and sources" comment for Crowned Lapwing is a copy of the Nubian Nightjar entry.

Fixed. Thanks.

 

[DMW]

Actually, by the rules we've established for constructing English names, Cuckoo-roller is the correct format. See English Names>Spelling Rules on the IOC WBL website. Here's an excerpt from the relevant rule:

• Where both nouns are the names of birds or bird families a hyphen should be inserted to signify that the taxon belongs to the family of the second word, not the first (e.g., Eagle-Owl).
• If a name is of a taxon that is not a member of the stated bird family, the letter after the hyphen should be lowercase to clarify that status (e.g., Flycatcher-shrike).

Since Cuckoo-roller isn't a roller, the second component of the name is properly in lower case.

As for Diary listings...it's typically not our practice to post every update we make in the Diary. We generally reserve those Diary announcements for Proposed Splits and Lumps, Taxonomic Updates and Species Updates. It's always a good idea to visit our Updates pages regularly to see what's happening also on the English name and subspecies fronts.

I was mostly being flippant and I really don't want to open the hyphens can of worms, it just looks weird/amusing to me when the second part of a hyphenated name is both a noun and a verb.

 

[Jacana]

Apr 11 Change English names of Lophophanes cristatus and L. dichrous to Crested Tit and Grey-crested Tit, respectively.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

What's their names before?

 

[Jacana]

What's their names before?

"European Crested Tit" and "Grey Crested Tit"

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

"European Crested Tit" and "Grey Crested Tit"

Ok. New names sound logic

 

[jts1882]

Seems a rather nothing change, but could be part of the checklist alignment.

BOW uses Crested tit and Gray-crested tit.
Birdlife uses Crested tit and Grey-crested tit.
H&M uses Crested tit and Fulvous tit

 

[Taphrospilus]

Any reason why Ceyx rufidorsa Strickland, 1847 is not availble in IOC list?

 

[TomDerutter]

Any reason why Ceyx rufidorsa Strickland, 1847 is not availble in IOC list?

Regarded as a rufous-backed morph of Ceyx erithaca:

Rufous-backed morphs sometimes treated as separate species C. rufidorsa (King 1997, Rasmussen & Anderton 2005, Lim et al. 2010) suggest past episodes of secondary contact and introgression. Revisit status of rufidorsa.

 

[MJB]

Apr 17 Move Pale-footed Bush Warbler and Neumann's Warbler from Urosphena to Hemitesia.
MJB

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Apr 17 Move Pale-footed Bush Warbler and Neumann's Warbler from Urosphena to Hemitesia.
MJB

Oh no ! Why ? No, please no, noooo, worst idea

 

[jts1882]

Age of divergence based on Alstrom et al (2011) and vocal distinctions.

Hemitesia is resurrected as a genus for these two species most recently attributed to Urosphena but which form a discrete, vocally distinct, and deeply divergent clade that is sister to Urosphena by phylogenetic analysis (Alström et al. 2011b).

Taxonomic Updates – IOC World Bird List

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Age of divergence based on Alstrom et al (2011) and vocal distinctions.

But the two species are very different. Let’s avoid creating a small, very heterogeneous genus. Or, create a new genus for pallidipes

 

[dnsallen]

Age of divergence based on Alstrom et al (2011) and vocal distinctions.

Checking the songs in Cornell, the 3 stubtails sound like they are likely rather closely related. Neumann's sounds completely different. Pale-footed BW sounds recognisably like a speeded-up Horonis, which is also not surprising based on morphology. On that basis I would want to look again at the DNA results and perhaps re-sequence them, rather than renaming the bird based on this study.

 

[mb1848]

Or, create a new genus for pallidipes
Birdlife uses Hemitesia.
http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/Genera/H/h00303a.jpg .
https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/auk/v065n02/p0291-p0292.pdf .

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Birdlife uses Hemitesia.

Sad 😢

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

But the two species are very different. Let’s avoid creating a small, very heterogeneous genus. Or, create a new genus for pallidipes

And the two species are also very distant geographically (Hemitesia in Africa, "Urotesia" in Asia)

 

[Jacana]

Apr 19 Post proposed split of Kangean Tit-Babbler from Grey-cheeked Tit-Babbler.

Can't be many birders who have seen that!

 

[mb1848]

OD: v.10-15=no.65-117 [v.10 Incomplete] (1899-1905) - Bulletin of the British Ornithologists' Club - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
drawings:
(PDF) The identification of tit-babblers and red sunbirds on Java .
v. 9 (1902) - Novitates zoologicae - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
Is this a birdlife split?