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Message: <blockquote data-quote="timtagel" data-source="post: 1139928" data-attributes="member: 35905">Good points, fellas, but I'm talking about a binocular model that is an all-rounder. I would argue, having looked through them, that the Ultravid, HD and EL etc glass demonstrates a marginal improvement - to some the difference cannot be detected at all! I have to agree with Kevin re. the marketing BS comment. I think it's outrageous that Leica is charging £1,400 for a pair of binos that features so few innovations from previous models. It seems the 'aqua-dura' self-drying lens technology, for example, is a gimmick and a feature so seldom used to merit it a false benefit - and I live in the north of Scotland. If it's raining that bad, stay inside and pour yourself a large Glenmorangie while you wait for the skies to clear. The term HD also has connotations of the type of image we're now seeing in high definition broadcasting. There's nothing earth shattering about the views in the HD, from what I hear and I admit it's only what I hear and read. But come on, for that money, you'd expect Leica to ship a life lister bird with every box!So, my argument isn't about superior optical quality alone, but a whole list of factors where the 8x32 BN excels - a strike rate that not all the current 'A grade' models can match.</blockquote>