Lesser Sand Plover Bangkok April 2024 (1 Viewer)

[Aladdin]

Dear Members and Bird Watchers!

I was checking out the mud flats yesterday and I spotted several plovers. I had no idea on what plover it could be.

Back home and I checked my books, Lesser Sandplover - Charadrius mongolis and the Greater Sandplover

I ID the bird as a Lesser Sandplover because of the black forehead.

Greater Sandplover have a white forehead with the black band above the with spot on the forehead.

So what is the problem? Well, I look for Lesser Sandplover, not available in eBird and anywhere else. I try the Charadrius mongolis and Siberian/ Tibetan Sandplover is coming up. but with a different scentific name.

Anyone having any idea on what to call these birds?

Kind Regards and Happy Birding
Aladdin

 

[Paul Chapman]

The Lesser Sandplovers that occur in Thailand are Tibetan Sandplover so atrifons.

All the best

Paul

 

[Aladdin]

The Lesser Sandplovers that occur in Thailand are Tibetan Sandplover so atrifons.

All the best

Paul

Thank you very much Paul Chapman!

This option is not even available in my books, 3 different books. Lesser Sand Plover - Charadrius mongolis. But this option is not available in eBird. But Tibetan Sandplover is available so I have now changed the ID in my eBird report.

Thank you again, highly appreciated!
Aladdin

 

[Paul Chapman]

Birds of Thailand is prior to the Lesser Sandplover split when mongolus became Siberian Sandplover and atrifons became Tibetan Sandplover but it confirms that it is atrifons & the schaeferi subspecies.

All the best

Paul

 

[Aladdin]

Birds of Thailand is prior to the Lesser Sandplover split when mongolus became Siberian Sandplover and atrifons became Tibetan Sandplover but it confirms that it is atrifons & the schaeferi subspecies.

All the best

Paul

Thank you again!

I have the same book. So they have changed the name. That is not the first time I run in to trouble when they have changed names.

I think I get it now, before it was lesser that they now have split in to two,

Tibetan and Siberian and one option in eBird is Tibetan / Siberian sand plover. Maybe because it is not possible to see any difference?​

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Thanks again, really appreciated and now I know next time I spot the bird
Aladdin

 

[bhutjoe]

Hi, Aladdin, this is not a propos to this thread but I wanted to thank you for your very excellent website which I made much use of in a short stay in Oman in March. It was very helpful in my birding there and I thank you for putting all the effort that you obviously did into it.
very much appreciated and recommended to others
steve

 

[Aladdin]

Hi, Aladdin, this is not a propos to this thread but I wanted to thank you for your very excellent website which I made much use of in a short stay in Oman in March. It was very helpful in my birding there and I thank you for putting all the effort that you obviously did into it.
very much appreciated and recommended to others
steve

Hello bhutjoe!

Thank you for your heart warming words!

Aladdin

 

[Southern Viking]

Birds of Thailand is prior to the Lesser Sandplover split when mongolus became Siberian Sandplover and atrifons became Tibetan Sandplover but it confirms that it is atrifons & the schaeferi subspecies.

All the best

Paul

Was the one at Church Norton back in '97 a Tibetan then?

 

[Paul Chapman]

Was the one at Church Norton back in '97 a Tibetan then?

Yes. As was Rimac. Keyhaven was Siberian.

All the best

Paul

 

[Andy Adcock]

The Lesser Sandplovers that occur in Thailand are Tibetan Sandplover so atrifons.

All the best

Paul

I presume the legs are muddy because they should be black.

 

[johnallcock]

The legs do appear to be slightly muddy.

But the legs of Tibetan Sandplover are variable, and are not always black. In my experience, most are grey, sometimes with a slight greenish tone and often darker on the feet and 'knees'. These look pretty typical to me. Leg colour seems to vary with age, sex and season - I mostly associate pure black legs with adult males in full breeding plumage (although the female in these photos has got pretty dark legs).

I wonder if this might vary geographically though (this seems to be true for almost everything associated with sandplover ID! ). Looking at online pictures, it seems there may be a tendency for birds in the Middle East to have blacker legs compared to birds in south and southeast Asia.