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Message: <blockquote data-quote="redshank2" data-source="post: 1629415" data-attributes="member: 80551">In answer to the original;1 Yes but only if I am actively part of the ringing process.2 No3 No4 NoMysticete, Just wanted to say that I too have an equivalent to your BVDs; again mostly IDs from when I was much younger - often birds pointed out to me by members of the birdclub I went to which at that age I didn't have the experience to ID myself. I am sure because of the experience of those birders that their IDs were correct but now I don't feel like I've truly seen those birds.As a result I keep 2 lists; one of Birds I have seen wild and can self-ID, plus a second list of birds where for various reasons I am reasonably confident I have experienced the species but with a view that doesn't satisfy me enough to count it as properley seen. I do not count species on this second list ticked but keep it as a spur to try to see them properly in future.I have several catergories on this second 'unseen' list:a) Seen but not capable of self-ID on view I saw (roughly equivalent to scenario 4)b) Heard distinctve call, and confirmed call ID by listening to recordings, but bird not seen or only fleetingly seen with no oppourtunity to properly visually IDc) Questionable wild status eg. here in London many Egyptian Geese in local parksd) Poor view that does not enable certain ID eg. this autumn following strong westerlies I sea-watched several tiny wader jizz birds at great distance fluttering across the waves before alighting, they were grey and white and I am almost certain they were Grey Phalarope but the view was so distant I cannot be sure.Currently this second list for me holds 7 species.------------------------------------------------------------------British List 196World List 237</blockquote>

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