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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jim M." data-source="post: 1629629" data-attributes="member: 60675">I'll also note that a strict rule that you can only count a bird that you can ID yourself leads to absurdly elitist results.  Imagine the leader of local bird club outing excitingly pointing out to the group a rare immature gull, but adding that it is too bad that only the few expert members of the group who have mastered gull identification could properly count it on their life lists.Best,Jim</blockquote>