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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fugl" data-source="post: 1630010" data-attributes="member: 816">Elitism (no, even worse, absurd elitism)?  That strikes me as a bit of a stretch.  But in any case, it’s not a word I’m afraid of, at least not in a trivial context such as adding birds to a life list Re your hypothetical gull, I can’t imagine a “leader of a local bird club outing” saying something like that.  Why would such a person care what other people put on their lists?  As far as your general point is concerned, no I wouldn’t put the gull in question on my life list if I couldn’t ID myself, nor I presume would many of the other contributors to this thread who answered “no” to question 4.</blockquote>