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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jan-Paul Charteris" data-source="post: 1630978" data-attributes="member: 71800">I'd say not in the case of number 1, unless there is absolutely no doubt that it is the same bird that was caught. With the flycatcher it seems likely that it was, but there was an example before at dunge where people turned up and were ticking a 'common' Treecreeper the day after a Short-toed was released. With normal Treecreeper being scarce enough itself at Dunge this would have seemed unlikely. Of course twitchers could have made sure they were ticking the ringed bird unless both were ringed, but it seems sad if people are counting a bird on the strength of its main distinguishing feature being man made jewelry.Jan</blockquote>