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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mysticete" data-source="post: 1631115" data-attributes="member: 67784">Random replies to people;on Lady Amherst Pheasants, were they ever really established?  AFAIK (and I am not a brit birder, so I am far from and expert) they were only found in a relatively small area of Britain, hardly as widespread and numerous as say Canada Geese, which were everywhere I looked when I visited last fall.  A US example would be Eurasian Collared Dove, which in something like a couple of decade are now found in almost every state, versus Red-whiskered Bulbul, a species that still remains uncommon and local in Miami suburbs, despite being present for a much smaller period of time.  It would not take much to wipe out this species; the ABA has hinted at times it might review the established exotic list and possibly thin out quite a few birds from that list.Fugl.  If memory serves me correct, Crested Myna was actually extirpated the year I seriously got into birding, so I also don't really have to worry about it.  I do have Spotted Dove, and the CBC summary I got yesterday reported only 2 for the entire state of California.  I will put money on the bird being extirpated before the next decade is out.As regards the Alder Flycatcher, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable in most circumstances to count any widespread NA Empid based on sight alone, but again, that is my opinionAlso, I do follow the ABA list rules for my...err...ABA list, but since that is the only one I am even remotely (and I do mean remotely) competitive about, then that is fine.  My life list is for my own enjoyment only, so I follow my own "rules", some of which are more strict than ABA (no "heard onlys" for instance.</blockquote>

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