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Low Frequency recording help needed (1 Viewer)

Cephalopterus

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Hello,

I am new to this forum in search of assistance in recording low frequency calls from the Bare-necked Umbrellabird (Cephalopterus glabricollis). My shotgun mics and onboard camera mics (Canon) are useless. Anyone have suggestions of mics that are known to be good at recording such low frequencies from 10-20 meters distance? They are awfully pricey to be purchasing by guess work.

Thank you

Sophia
 
I have recorded the call of an Australasian Bittern, which has a fundamental frequency of approx 140 Hz.
I used a parabolic mic (with AOM5024 capsules) on a ZOOM F3 recorder. The bird was distant, the call was faint, and in theory below the frequency range of the parabola. But it still recorded.
 
I used a parabolic mic (with AOM5024 capsules) on a ZOOM F3 recorder. The bird was distant, the call was faint, and in theory below the frequency range of the parabola. But it still recorded.
Anyone have suggestions of mics that are known to be good at recording such low frequencies from 10-20 meters distance?
Basically most mics will do the job. I think Bare-necked Umbrellabird has a call above 500Hz, and most mics work below this level.

Things to look for in the mic spec are as follows;
1/ Frequency response - e.g. a figure something like 50- 20,000Hz. As I say if the frequency response starts at below 500Hz it should be OK for your purposes.
2/ Frequency response chart - basically this is a graph showing a line for the response for any given frequency. This should for most mics be a fairly flat line. What you don’t want is any drop off at low frequencies, otherwise the mic will be poor at recording low frequency noises.
3/ Sensitivity figure. These figures are confusing and sometime presented as mV/Pa and sometimes as dB re 1 V/Pa. With mV/Pa the larger the figure the more sensitive the mic is, so the more it will pick up quiet noise. For dB re 1 V/Pa the figure will be minus and in this case -23 is a lot more sensitive than say -34.

Unfortunately shotgun mics are poor at filtering out off axis low frequency unwanted noise - they are more directional at higher frequencies. You therefore run the risk than unwanted noise may drown out the umbrellabird call, particularly if the call is quiet, and environmental noise significant.

Having a high sensitivity mic has pros and cons. It will pick up quieter sounds, but at low frequencies as it will be none directional it will pick up everything, including unwanted noise.

3D Pan mentions recording with a parabola, but his recordings can only have worked because the sound reached the mic direct, rather than being reflected and amplified by the dish. This is because physics dictates that the wave length must fit within the dish for there to be any amplification of the sound. The gain is then relational to the frequency, so for moderately low frequencies you get a small amount of gain, but for high frequencies you get lots of gain.

Given the poor directional behaviour of shotguns at low frequency, you could just use an omni or cardiodal mic, but then these are less suited to recording other birds.

I would therefore stick to a shotgun, but look through the specs and choose one with reasonable high sensitivity, no drop off in the frequency response at low frequencies and a frequency range starting at or below 100Hz. The trickiest bit is the sensitivity - I think the ME67 (no longer available) had a sensitivity of 50mV/pa or -28dB re 1V/Pa. This mic was always considered a good shotgun for bird recording, but I think mics now with this type of performance are not that common, so you have limited choice in very sensitive shotguns.
 
Sophia, a warm welcome to birdforum's sound enthusiasts pages.

As Jon mentioned, most mics will do the job and the recording requirements for this bird species are manageable.

Anyway, I don't think the built-in mics and preamps of most cameras are really suited for capturing good recordings of distant bird calls. But maybe the issue lies somewhere else entirely? What shotgun mic are you using, and which audio recorder? What about your recording settings? What gain settings? What audio format? Was a low-noise filter possibly activated?

Of course, one could just say, 'Drop $3K on an MKH 8070 shotgun mic and a Sound Devices MixPre-6 II, and you're good to go.'

That being said, I actually think that the right technical settings and recording strategy often have the biggest impact on the final result. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

Cheers)
 
I also have a DiY SASS head (if in doubt, Google it), fitted with AOM5024 capsules. Very sensitive and low noise, but definitely not directional.
Recording on a ZOOM F3.
If your target is only 10-20 metres distant then I'm not sure why you would need a directional mic anyway ?
 
Hello to everyone who was kind enough to respond to my microphone questions. Sorry for the late delay. I do not have any connection while in the rain forest so can only reply when I come out for resupply.

I am new to this so have much to learn. Sorry if I am too vague with specs. I'm surfing a seriously steep learning curve here.

A little more detail. I have been filming with Canon 7D mark II bodies and needless to say the factory onboard mics and preamps leave a bit to be desired. So I tried using both a Sennheiser MKE600 and a Rode VideoMic Pro + direct to the camera input with poor results. So I borrowed a small DSLR Pre-amp and tried XLR from mic to the amp and then into the camera with poor results as well (as far as picking up the low sound with enough volume to do anything with). The males have a complex call that is low (not sure of the frequency but think blowing across a big ole crockery whisky jug) as well as a high frequency flute like sound at the same time. The mics all pick up the higher ranges just fine but the lows just get lost somewhere between the bird and my recording devices (I also used those mics with a H4n with tiny bit better luck but not much when at a distance of more than 15-20 meters to the birds. So figured the mics just could not grab that low frequency. I spoke to a man a few years back while in South Africa and he records Southern Ground hornbills (they too are at a pretty low frequency) and he mentioned parabolas were useless because the wavelength was so long you would need a parabola at least a meter across. Not practical when working in thick jungle for sure. Now I wish I had paid more attention to him and got details!. Live and learn....I hope this helps answer some questions and brings some insight. Thanks so much for any insight!

Sophie
 

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