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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Farnboro John" data-source="post: 1650173" data-attributes="member: 36432">I don't know about the Soay Sheep.  I suspect the National Trust manages the stock.My current view of wallabies is that the populations not limited by island life have died out naturally which indicates they struggle in the British environment.  Although Loch lomond individuals have made it to the mainland they have not colonised it successfully.  I believe therefore that the species doesn't really meet the self-supporting criterion.  With the Loch Lomond animals set to be removed we most likely never will know for certain, but here I prefer to err on the side of caution.I don't feel a need to tick humans, its not like any of us haven't seen one or two.  Its not going to make a blind bit of difference to relative positions on Surfbirds as long as we all play by the same rules.Here's a thought, though: just to achieve uniformity Steve Karen and I agreed a few years ago to use Duff and Lawson with no qualifications as the basis of world mammal lists, and that makes both Homo sapiens and an assortment of domestics tickable species.  So my world list includes Hom sap.  If I wanted to put it on each of my country lists would I have to see one of the indigenous people or would any old Cat C vagrant do?John</blockquote>