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Maven B.2 9x45 and 11x45 - Odd binocular magnifications? (1 Viewer)

Canip

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On forums like Birdforum, members sometimes deplore the fact that not many good 7x binoculars are to be found. In fact, 7x used to be a more popular format in former times.

If you look at the binocular market today and just ignore for a moment some “aberrations” like 6.5x, 8.5x and 10.5x magnifications which overall are a tiny fraction of the market, we seem to have settled with binoculars magnifying 8x, 10x or 12x. Why is that?

Is it pure coincidence, comparable to the oddity that many countries, such as Switzerland, have general speed limits outside city centers of 80 km/h (main roads), 100 (minor motorways) and 120 (motorways), whereas other countries such a France have limits at 90, 110 and 130?

Would 9x magnification be a good compromise between the easy handling of an 8x and the further reach of a 10x? Or what about 11x, the amalgamation of advantages of a 10x bino and a 12x bino??

Only a few companies make/sell 9x binoculars today, most prominently Pentax (several different models), Celestron (1 model), Bresser (1 model) and Maven (1 model).

With 11x, some astro binoculars feature that magnification (Helios, APM, TS Optics, etc.), only Maven seems to be selling a 11x bino for the birding and hunting markets (in fact, Maven with their “B.2” line seems to be the only one selling both 9x AND 11x binos).

In terms of optical/mechanical quality and pricing, I would place the Maven B.2 models in the upper part of the market, somewhere in the neighborhood of models such as Conquest HDX. They have gotten positive user reviews on forums like CloudyNights. Assembled in the USA (probably in Lander, Wyoming?) from parts made in Japan (Kamakura?), the B.2 line (9x45, 11x45) figures somewhere Maven’s B1.2 (8x42, 10x42) and B.6 (10x50, 12x50) lines on the one hand and the B.5 line (10x56, 12x56, 15x56, 18x56) on the other hand.

I have been using both the 9x45 and 11x45 for some time to my full satisfaction. Well built, clear and bright image, good performance in all relevant optical disciplines (the 11x exhibits a tiny bit of CA off-axis, while the 9x has virtually none), pleasant panning experience, etc etc. Both models are relatively heavy, so that is something to keep in mind if weight is an issue. On the other hand, they appear very sturdy.

I have not done a review (as I did some time ago with the Maven B.6 10x50 (New Maven B.6 10x50: A brief comparative review) and the B1.2 8x42 (Maven B1.2 8×42 – Binoculars Today , scroll down), but you will find reviews by other forums members of the 9x45 (see, e.g. Maven B2 9x45's vs a few others (adhoc review)) or third parties (see, e.g., Maven B2 9x45 - my thoughts). For me, the 9x feels more like an 8x than a 10x.

For the 11x45, there are not so many reviews around, so I may do one sometime, esp. to answer the question whether a magnification between 10x and 12x makes as much sense as the 9x seems to make between 8x and 10x. The higher up you go in numbers, the less a step of one magnification up or down can be felt in practice. Still, perhaps I will understand why Maven make an 11x.

Specifications of the two B.2 models can be found here:

By the way, I have ordered four times from Maven and had each time an impeccable customer experience; binoculars were dispatched within 2 business days and shipped to my location in Switzerland within less than a week form ordering.

fwiw Canip
 

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Yes! I feel the same way and I've been curious about Maven's 9x option. I've held off because 9x45 is a little too close to my 8x42....if it was 9x50 that would be large enough for me to buy one. It's hard to accept 6 more ounces of weight for only 3mm more aperture.

It seems like the AK prisms in Maven's 45's allow them to reduce CA in a lower cost bino. I've been told that the 10x50 Maven's have more CA than the 9x45. Maven also is one of the few to offer a 6x30.

The outsourcing model seems to make it more feasible to widen the offerings in the product line. I'd love to see Zeiss add some more SFL's. It seems logical that a 9x50 might attract more buyers since no one else offers it. How about a 9x50 and 11x50 SFL? They would offer big aperture and steadier views over 10x50 and 12x50.

I'm currently trying out an 8x50 UVHD and it's a wonderful bino. I personally do not like 10x binoculars very much....only enjoyable for me while bracing my elbows on something. And I don't care for the small exit pupil in 8x30 or 8x32, I'd prefer 6-7x in that range.
 
I absolutely loved the images from a Maven B.2 - 9x45 that I persisted with for about a month in around 2018(?) but for one single issue: terrible veiling glare. No matter how I adjusted eyecups / IPD I just couldn't reduce it to a tolerable level. Such was the quality of image (otherwise) I could even - for this bin - possibly have eventually learned to tolerate the extremely counter-intuitive (for me) CCW to infinity focus direction!

I found the 9x a very useful compromise between 8 and 10x for general birding / casual nature watching and still lament my personal incompatibility.

More generally, I'd totally support more 9s / 11s / 16s and - along with that - more objective lens diameter options, too.
 
On forums like Birdforum, members sometimes deplore the fact that not many good 7x binoculars are to be found. In fact, 7x used to be a more popular format in former times.

If you look at the binocular market today and just ignore for a moment some “aberrations” like 6.5x, 8.5x and 10.5x magnifications which overall are a tiny fraction of the market, we seem to have settled with binoculars magnifying 8x, 10x or 12x. Why is that?

Is it pure coincidence, comparable to the oddity that many countries, such as Switzerland, have general speed limits outside city centers of 80 km/h (main roads), 100 (minor motorways) and 120 (motorways), whereas other countries such a France have limits at 90, 110 and 130?

Would 9x magnification be a good compromise between the easy handling of an 8x and the further reach of a 10x? Or what about 11x, the amalgamation of advantages of a 10x bino and a 12x bino??

Only a few companies make/sell 9x binoculars today, most prominently Pentax (several different models), Celestron (1 model), Bresser (1 model) and Maven (1 model).

With 11x, some astro binoculars feature that magnification (Helios, APM, TS Optics, etc.), only Maven seems to be selling a 11x bino for the birding and hunting markets (in fact, Maven with their “B.2” line seems to be the only one selling both 9x AND 11x binos).

In terms of optical/mechanical quality and pricing, I would place the Maven B.2 models in the upper part of the market, somewhere in the neighborhood of models such as Conquest HDX. They have gotten positive user reviews on forums like CloudyNights. Assembled in the USA (probably in Lander, Wyoming?) from parts made in Japan (Kamakura?), the B.2 line (9x45, 11x45) figures somewhere Maven’s B1.2 (8x42, 10x42) and B.6 (10x50, 12x50) lines on the one hand and the B.5 line (10x56, 12x56, 15x56, 18x56) on the other hand.

I have been using both the 9x45 and 11x45 for some time to my full satisfaction. Well built, clear and bright image, good performance in all relevant optical disciplines (the 11x exhibits a tiny bit of CA off-axis, while the 9x has virtually none), pleasant panning experience, etc etc. Both models are relatively heavy, so that is something to keep in mind if weight is an issue. On the other hand, they appear very sturdy.

I have not done a review (as I did some time ago with the Maven B.6 10x50 (New Maven B.6 10x50: A brief comparative review) and the B1.2 8x42 (Maven B1.2 8×42 – Binoculars Today , scroll down), but you will find reviews by other forums members of the 9x45 (see, e.g. Maven B2 9x45's vs a few others (adhoc review)) or third parties (see, e.g., Maven B2 9x45 - my thoughts). For me, the 9x feels more like an 8x than a 10x.

For the 11x45, there are not so many reviews around, so I may do one sometime, esp. to answer the question whether a magnification between 10x and 12x makes as much sense as the 9x seems to make between 8x and 10x. The higher up you go in numbers, the less a step of one magnification up or down can be felt in practice. Still, perhaps I will understand why Maven make an 11x.

Specifications of the two B.2 models can be found here:

By the way, I have ordered four times from Maven and had each time an impeccable customer experience; binoculars were dispatched within 2 business days and shipped to my location in Switzerland within less than a week form ordering.

fwiw Canip
Thank you for another fine review, Canip. Certainly an interesting niche. I recently sold my B3 in 8x30 to a photographer friend (though I do still like them) which allowed me to now enjoy the extra definition of the B1.2 in 10x42. I also compared it to the SFL and found it very similar. Btw according to Maven, the binoculars are assembled in San Diego, Ca. (A Kamakura facility, I believe) and final inspections and simple repairs are done in Lander.
 
On forums like Birdforum, members sometimes deplore the fact that not many good 7x binoculars are to be found. In fact, 7x used to be a more popular format in former times.

If you look at the binocular market today and just ignore for a moment some “aberrations” like 6.5x, 8.5x and 10.5x magnifications which overall are a tiny fraction of the market, we seem to have settled with binoculars magnifying 8x, 10x or 12x. Why is that?

Is it pure coincidence, comparable to the oddity that many countries, such as Switzerland, have general speed limits outside city centers of 80 km/h (main roads), 100 (minor motorways) and 120 (motorways), whereas other countries such a France have limits at 90, 110 and 130?

Would 9x magnification be a good compromise between the easy handling of an 8x and the further reach of a 10x? Or what about 11x, the amalgamation of advantages of a 10x bino and a 12x bino??

Only a few companies make/sell 9x binoculars today, most prominently Pentax (several different models), Celestron (1 model), Bresser (1 model) and Maven (1 model).

With 11x, some astro binoculars feature that magnification (Helios, APM, TS Optics, etc.), only Maven seems to be selling a 11x bino for the birding and hunting markets (in fact, Maven with their “B.2” line seems to be the only one selling both 9x AND 11x binos).

In terms of optical/mechanical quality and pricing, I would place the Maven B.2 models in the upper part of the market, somewhere in the neighborhood of models such as Conquest HDX. They have gotten positive user reviews on forums like CloudyNights. Assembled in the USA (probably in Lander, Wyoming?) from parts made in Japan (Kamakura?), the B.2 line (9x45, 11x45) figures somewhere Maven’s B1.2 (8x42, 10x42) and B.6 (10x50, 12x50) lines on the one hand and the B.5 line (10x56, 12x56, 15x56, 18x56) on the other hand.

I have been using both the 9x45 and 11x45 for some time to my full satisfaction. Well built, clear and bright image, good performance in all relevant optical disciplines (the 11x exhibits a tiny bit of CA off-axis, while the 9x has virtually none), pleasant panning experience, etc etc. Both models are relatively heavy, so that is something to keep in mind if weight is an issue. On the other hand, they appear very sturdy.

I have not done a review (as I did some time ago with the Maven B.6 10x50 (New Maven B.6 10x50: A brief comparative review) and the B1.2 8x42 (Maven B1.2 8×42 – Binoculars Today , scroll down), but you will find reviews by other forums members of the 9x45 (see, e.g. Maven B2 9x45's vs a few others (adhoc review)) or third parties (see, e.g., Maven B2 9x45 - my thoughts). For me, the 9x feels more like an 8x than a 10x.

For the 11x45, there are not so many reviews around, so I may do one sometime, esp. to answer the question whether a magnification between 10x and 12x makes as much sense as the 9x seems to make between 8x and 10x. The higher up you go in numbers, the less a step of one magnification up or down can be felt in practice. Still, perhaps I will understand why Maven make an 11x.

Specifications of the two B.2 models can be found here:

By the way, I have ordered four times from Maven and had each time an impeccable customer experience; binoculars were dispatched within 2 business days and shipped to my location in Switzerland within less than a week form ordering.

fwiw Canip
I believe to understand Maven's magnification policy, one must understand their location and main target group.
Maven is located in Lander, WY, which is just on the southern border of the Wind River Indian Reservation, and their main target group are hunters - western hunters at that. The American W and SW is the country of big spaces and even bigger skies. Hunters there do not go out in their 4x4 to drive to a managed forest around the corner, and then sit on a raised hide. They drive to a trailhead, park their vehicles and then hike out, sometimes several days, camping and living in the wild. And out there game is often far away and must be tracked down. Spotting it many miles away is important.

Those hunters do not worry whether the step from 8 to 10 is noticeably less than the one from 8 to 11. For them 11x gives them more reach. The 11x45 also gives them almost the exact EP as a 10x42, so only gains and no losses.
On a side note: afaik Maven are the only company to offer a 12x56. Still hand-holdable, it has an EP of 4.7 which still allows for dawn use. Not only incredibly useful for the above clientel, but also for folks like me who used to watch the deer
(and other wildlife) on their own properties in TX. (In contrast, in VA I used a 8x56 like they do in EU)
 
FWIW, I found the CA in the 9x45 to be too much for me to keep and use them. Sorry! :) Overall a very high quality instrument. Also eye placement seemed fairly difficult. Everything else....10 out of 10. Super nice body design and build, eyecups, excellent focuser.

I sold off my 10x35 E2's because of too much CA and these had it much worse....just another data point. I guess I'm a hard-ass on CA....I have 80's Nikon porros that cost $100 that don't have it, I don't want to see it in $1000-grade binos.
 
The 9x45 I tried at Birdfair 2024 was pretty formidable in both optics and (perceived, at least) build quality. I get the impression it was intended to target users who might find the (outstanding) 8.5x Swarovski too expensive and it is certainly competitive with the EL SV, although the Swaro is a little ahead in some areas, as you might expect. It's very impressive just how accomplished the so-called second tier are these days.
 
The 9x45 I tried at Birdfair 2024 was pretty formidable in both optics and (perceived, at least) build quality. I get the impression it was intended to target users who might find the (outstanding) 8.5x Swarovski too expensive and it is certainly competitive with the EL SV, although the Swaro is a little ahead in some areas, as you might expect. It's very impressive just how accomplished the so-called second tier are these days.
For me the Maven build quality easily exceeds Swaro EL's. FWIW. Much better focuser, more comfortable body to hold, no fieldpro. Just that CA is the only downside. Nice simple utilitarian designs, no extra fussy stuff from Maven
 
I know the thread is about the B.2s but... I Love my Mavens! I have the B1.2 in 10x42 and the B.3 in 8x30.
The B1.2 is excellent, imo. A bit of CA if I look for it. Note that the B.3 series is still their top level Japanese glass,
not a step down like the C series. Polycarbonate instead of Magnesium, but still top notch, imo
and a deal at $550. PS for me only minimal glare along the bottom edge under tough conditions.
 
I know the thread is about the B.2s but... I Love my Mavens! I have the B1.2 in 10x42 and the B.3 in 8x30.
The B1.2 is excellent, imo. A bit of CA if I look for it. Note that the B.3 series is still their top level Japanese glass,
not a step down like the C series. Polycarbonate instead of Magnesium, but still top notch, imo
and a deal at $550. PS for me only minimal glare along the bottom edge under tough conditions.
Seems like a lot of people like those B3 30mm's. Been meaning to try the 6x30 someday soon, since I prefer low power
 
I am not impressed with the 6x30 (Maven B.3 6×30 – Binoculars Today), but YMMV!
(I much like the B.2, B 1.2 and B.6 Mavens)
interesting comments! I also have trouble with the plastic "polymer" frame binoculars - not a fan. I've also realized that my hands aren't steady with very small, light binos, after trying the 8x30 SFL's - I couldn't hold them steady and I'm guessing with an even smaller lighter one the problem would be worse....even at 6x.
 
To follow comments by Ignatius and Canip on availability of 12x56:

Currently many makes/models in 12x56, roof and porro, several brought up readily in internet search "binocular 12x56". Optical, and build, quality variable. Of what I find thus, APM, which is porro, and Kowa, roof, might be the best.

Recently I had (in 12x56) a Barr-&-Stroud Savannah-ED, roof, GBP 234 (today lowest new UK), with very good optics for the price, but focus knob failure very soon.

A replacement FOC by the manufr., through the retailer Microglobe UK, went wrong, and I got a Savannah non-ED, GBP 147. The optics were not good enough, mostly in basic astronomy, and it is now given away; but it has no build problems yet.
 

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