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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gcole" data-source="post: 3638561" data-attributes="member: 29223"><p>Well ... This saying always seem to pop up " You get what you pay for "  and in the world of optics its proven to be true more times than not. Unfortunately good glass cost alot. When I told a friend what I paid for my last purchase, the Nikon EDG with all its goodies. I was reminded it cost me  more than my first full size Chevy Malibu automobile which I purchased back in the fall of 1971. The way I figure it. To own one of the top end scopes with a resonable wide zoom with the most comfortable eye relief you are going to have to purchase in alphabetical order either a .....  Kowa 77 or 88 Prominar  , A leica APO Televid,  A Meopta S2 series, A Nikon EDG  ,  Or the Latest & most expensive Swarovski ATX. The problem is these do not have a wide variety of fixed eyepieces with good eye relief accept the Nikon EDG. If you want those you will have to purchase the very pricey Nikon EDG FEP eyepieces. All of the above kills your budget.  New or used ? , Like I said all of these can be purchased used a lot cheaper. .... Good Luck In Your Search and remember to browse the Forum classifies here.</p></blockquote><p></p>