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JGobeil

Nature Photographer
No worries Jules. My main interest is how the bare 400 comes out softer than the 400 plus 1.4x. If that is right getting e.g. a Panasonic gx8 and metabones for video with my 400 would be a waste - I might just as well go for the native 100-300 and not bother with the metabones.

Tis fascinating stuff too - though I'm definitely not tempted by an astroscope, far too big to cart around :t:

Hi Paul,

Well, the 400mm alone is better at short range than with the 1.4X TC but as you increase distance, the TC is a welcomed tool. I've read quite a bit on TCs and that's what experts say. Good quality 1.4X TCs allow good lenses to increase their useful range. They are useless on lower quality lenses.

A good example is the old v. I Canon 100-400mm L. Adding a 1.4X TC worked when the light was good but autofocus was still difficult and cropping gave better results. The 100-400 is a nice lens but it is not known to be very sharp. Put the same TC on the 400mm L: it works very well with much better results than cropping.

2X TCs are another story. Opinions are mixed. Some say they are useless and that cropping does a better job. Others say they work well on some lenses. My friend who loaned me his 2X TC is a good example: he uses it on a Canon 70-200mm L f#2.8 v. I with great results for birding; he keeps it on the lens 100% of the time, making it a 140-400mm.

My tests seem to indicate that the 2X that it is not as effective as the 1.4X with the 400/MB. For example, at 50 meters, it resolves 4.6 while the 1.4X does 5.1. So, cropping a 1.4X image would give slightly better results. This is on a static perfectly flat black & white unprocessed image. I'm not sure it would be that obvious on a real bird photo in a birding environment. I will try to test that tomorrow if WX permits.

The Panasonic 100-300mm is a nice lens but I have not used it with Panasonic cameras. Is is light and small, cheap in price and has a nice zoom range. It is also quite sharp once you get used to it. To improve sharpness, it helps to close the aperture a bit and to lower the zoom to about 275mm. It is also important to pre-focus, to press the shutter very smoothly and not to move the lens immediately after you pressed the shutter.

The big drawback of the 100-300mm for birding is its limited range. Its performance degrades very quickly past 10-15 meters. Up to that range, it supports reasonable cropping quite well. This is one of the reasons I am looking at the 400mm with the 1.4X TC which seems to be able to extend the useful range quite a bit.

I also would like to use the 400mm to replace the SW80ED scope because it is too big and heavy, it is manual focus only and it does not work well with the EM-1 IBIS. With the 1.4X TC, it becomes 560mm, which is about the same as the SW80ED but without its weaknesses. However, it is not as sharp but, since my ability at manual focus is limited, it may very well perform better in real life. Of course, it would be nice to be able to make it a 800mm lens with the 2X TC but I am not sure it will do the job IQ wise. More tests are needed.

For the type or bird photography I like to do, I need tools that can extend my range to about 100 meters. The 100-300mm and the SW80ED with a 1.5X TN were able to do that. However, carrying the big and heavy equipment at all times is a NO CAN DO !

Carrying the 400mm with a TC or 2 and a tripod when I think I will need it is possible but I would still need the 100-300mm because IMO the 400mm lens is too much for close range photography.

The other option is to wait for the Olympus 300mm + 1.4X TC or the Panasonic 100-400mm. However, neither of these will allow as much range as the 400mm + TC. On the other hand, they will probably be lighter and will focus extremely quickly. Will their IQ be better than the 400mm + TC ? Probably but by what margin ? How much more cropping would they allow ? With the 100-400mm, I could sell the 100-300mm and carry only one lens. Food for thaught... :smoke:
 
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Tord

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I was able to test a 400/5.6 and Metabones adapter with my EM1 and must say the setup is very nice and delivers HQ images. Metabones claim "pretty fast autofocus, excellent accuracy" and I am inclined to agree. I was surprised about the AF accuracy and the ability to resolve focus in challenging situations.

I am tempted... Will post samples later.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
I was able to test a 400/5.6 and Metabones adapter with my EM1 and must say the setup is very nice and delivers HQ images. Metabones claim "pretty fast autofocus, excellent accuracy" and I am inclined to agree. I was surprised about the AF accuracy and the ability to resolve focus in challenging situations.

I am tempted... Will post samples later.

Good ! I should be able to make more tests today. Targets at 75 and 100 meters and, hopefully, live birds at long range.
 

Binoseeker

Mostly using spectacles (myopic) with binoculars.
Thanks Jules for an interesting test.

Nice with good results also with the 1.4 x extender.

Anders
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
400mm/Metabones tests at longer distances

I made more tests today, - long distances under sunny conditions and a crisp -5 C.

I Learned someting new. The autofocus varies quite a bit from shot to shot. It not obvious at close range (<50m) but at 75-150m it varies a lot.

I tested with a vertical line target like last time but I kept each distance completely independant from the others. Last time, I resized every image to the size of the largest one, regardless of distance - for example, the 300mm at 50m image (239 pixels wide) was upsized 10 times to the size of the 400mm-2X at 10m (2255 pixels wide). I think it makes more sense to compare for only one given distance at a time.

I also tested on real birds at 50, 75 and 135 meters. Very interesting !

My findings ?
  • Autofocus variation from shot to shot.
  • CA still present.
  • The 1.4X Extender helps a lot for for long distances and I was surprised by the performance of the 2X.
  • The SW80ED is still king !
Let's start with the 75 meters targets.
  1. SW80ED
  2. 400mm
  3. 400mm + 1.4X
  4. 400mm + 2X
All photos were resized to the size of the 400mm + 2X.
 

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JGobeil

Nature Photographer
400mm/Metabones tests at longer distances (2)

Let's start with the 100 meters targets.
  1. SW80ED
  2. 400mm
  3. 400mm + 1.4X
  4. 400mm + 2X
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JGobeil

Nature Photographer
400mm/Metabones tests on birds at 50m.

Now a test on a bird at 50m.
  1. 400mm
  2. 400mm + 1.4X
  3. 400mm + 2X
Photos were processed the same way in LR and PS except for the blues saturation and exposure to make them look the same. They were then resized to the size of the 400mm + 2X.
 

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JGobeil

Nature Photographer
400mm/Metabones tests on birds at 50m.

Now a test on a bird at 75m.
  1. 400mm + 1.4X
  2. 400mm + 2X
Photos were processed the same way in LR and PS. The 400mm 1.4X was then resized to the size of the 400mm + 2X.
 

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Binoseeker

Mostly using spectacles (myopic) with binoculars.
There is a new MB firmware release v.2.0 now

Name: Firmware update V2.0 for for Canon EF to Micro Four Thirds Smart AdapterTM/Speed BoosterTM
Release date: 23 Nov 2015
Benefits and improvements:
​f/8 autofocus support for EF Extender 1.4x and EF Extender 2x (all versions).
Note: you do not need to install version 2.0 if your adapter is already at version 1.9 and you do not need EF Extender support.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
400mm/Metabones tests on birds at 135m.

Now a test on birds at 135m. THE REAL TEST !
  1. 400mm + 1.4X
  2. 400mm + 2X
Photos were processed the same way in LR and PS. The 400mm 1.4X was then resized to the size of the 400mm + 2X.

I let you be the judge... Comments welcomed !
 

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janvangastel

Well-known member
The 400mm + 2x is the winner. 135 Meters might be little too far for both, but to photograph a rare bird that doesn't come close it is a nice thing to have the 2x.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
The 400mm + 2x is the winner. 135 Meters might be little too far for both, but to photograph a rare bird that doesn't come close it is a nice thing to have the 2x.

In this example, the photo talen with the 2X Extender is clearly the best one. Unfortunately, this has not always been the case in my tests so far. I suspect that there is a problem with the accuracy of the autofocus on subjects that are quite far. I have taken great care during the tests to favor sharpness: nice WX, low ISO, high shutter speed, tripod, 2 second remote shutter, zero shutter shock, some photos using IBIS, some without. Always the same problem: some images are not as sharp as other images taken at the same moment at the same distance. Same problem with both TCs and with lens alone.

This female Mallard is a good example. Those photos were taken with great care using a tripod at about 30m. within a few seconds. Identical LR & PS processing. Only the last one is focused correctly (Note the beak of the bird on this photo).

I will try more tests tomorrow to test autofocus. I will also test V.2.0 of the Metabones firmware.
 

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Binoseeker

Mostly using spectacles (myopic) with binoculars.
Jules,
Can/have you check/-ed with focus peaking after AF, before you actually take the photo, so you have focus where it should be?
 

DanC.Licks

AKA Daniel Bradley
Have you taken subject movement into account when you are using a 2 second delay? Doesn't take much. Also air movement can have a huge effect as the air acts as a bunch of lenses gone crazy and can throw focus off in an instant. I am sure you have noticed how hard it is to focus with your scope on a warm day.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
Jules,
Can/have you check/-ed with focus peaking after AF, before you actually take the photo, so you have focus where it should be?

The purpose of autofocus is to make focusing quick and easy. Using peaking to make sure it is correct would defeat its purpose.

I will test focusing today with the focus test chart suggested by Tord.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
Have you taken subject movement into account when you are using a 2 second delay? Doesn't take much. Also air movement can have a huge effect as the air acts as a bunch of lenses gone crazy and can throw focus off in an instant. I am sure you have noticed how hard it is to focus with your scope on a warm day.

Dan,

My comments about autofocus accuracy summarize all the tests made during the last days. About 300 photos. For each target, I was taking 5 shots, keeping the better one. No movement at all, very crisp air at 0 C. or below.

I haven't used shutter delay for bird photos but I always take many photos of a bird to keep the best one. I have the same focusing problem with those. Yesterday's duck was swimming slowly and temp. was -5 C. 1/1600 s., f/5.6, ISO 800.
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
I was able to test a 400/5.6 and Metabones adapter with my EM1 and must say the setup is very nice and delivers HQ images. Metabones claim "pretty fast autofocus, excellent accuracy" and I am inclined to agree. I was surprised about the AF accuracy and the ability to resolve focus in challenging situations.

I am tempted... Will post samples later.

Hi Tord. Samples and comments would be appreciated.
 

DanC.Licks

AKA Daniel Bradley
Getting chilly up there, ay?;)
No time at all this week to do anything than update the firmware. If I put a TC on and then take it back off, the display still shows f8. Always change lenses with the camera off. Have to leave the camera on, unlock the lens and twist CCW to break the contacts, and then re-lock it to get it to pop back to 5.7. AF seems fine and no more tape on the TC.B :)
 

njlarsen

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Jules,
I personally believe it is impossible to not have focusing problems when shooting over a lot of water. Having said that, your experiences mimics those I have with the pana 100-300 on a pana GH2 body: some images are just better than others taken few moments apart. I wonder how accurate focusing really is on other systems.

Niels
 

JGobeil

Nature Photographer
Jules,
I personally believe it is impossible to not have focusing problems when shooting over a lot of water. Having said that, your experiences mimics those I have with the pana 100-300 on a pana GH2 body: some images are just better than others taken few moments apart. I wonder how accurate focusing really is on other systems.

Niels

Niels,

Like I wrote before, my comments are not only for shots over water. "My comments about autofocus accuracy summarize all the tests made during the last days. About 300 photos. For each target, I was taking 5 shots, keeping the better one. No movement at all, very crisp air at 0 C. or below." Those target shots were made over land.

I have never tested autofocus before so I cannot comment much. However, it is the first time it is so obvious. Focus seems to vary quite a bit but not by much; just enough to ruin an otherwhise correct photo !

I tried to test the 400mm for front and back focus today but the target I was using is not very useful for this lens. The lines are way too large to be useful. I will have to find something more accurate. Working on it in Photoshop...
 

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