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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brocknroller" data-source="post: 1758727" data-attributes="member: 665">Goshujin-sama Rick,Not sure which EDG thread you mean. The latest two EDG threads on the Nikon forum (which go back to last year) don't have any posts by you. In any case, I've tried the EDG myself, I was interested in an A/B with the Ultra HD Legend. Chinese bins have come a long way, baby, and I'm amazed that some ChinBins are chomping at the heals of the Big Boyz.This is a good thing for those of us who are not hedge fund managers. Otherwise, with the prices of alphas in the Leicasphere now and the mass extinction of premium quality porros at full throttle up, the binoworld might be divided into the "haves" and the "have nots". Even died-in-the-soft-merino-wool cardigan Leica men commented on this on the Leica forum, and some have stuck with their old Trinnies, because of the prohibitive price of the Ultravids.Btw, your praises of the Ultra HD Legend have driven up the price of the Ultra HDs by almost $100! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />It's too bad you can't buy ZRs in Japan. You think they would make an air drop on their way to Oregon. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />I think you would like ZR ED optics since they have the same qualities you cite for the B-Ultra HD. Not sure if you would like the ergonomics. I generally like open bridge roofs, but they are not everybody's cup 'o Hibiki-an tea. As far as the NAME BRAND, I'd say that Zen Ray seems to be getting their name out there (at least outside of Asia), as evidenced by their ad banner flying over BF forums and despite Steve C initially being repelled by the name. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> OTOH, BUSHNELL had an image problem to overcome. Bushnell products were long associated with the word "cheap".This may be the reason they co-opted the words "Ultra" and "HD" from the "Ultravid HD" for their Legend Ultra HD bins. Gives them a PREMIUM NAME BRAND association. Even though Bushnell made bins for B & L and marketed them under the B & L label, not everyone knows that, and when they first started making some of those former B & L models under the Bushnell badge (e.g., Elites and Custom Compact, the latter now also named "Elite"), there was some concern by consumers and reviewers that the Bushnell branded bins wouldn't have as good quality as the B & L brand. There was similar concern when Tasco bought Celestron, as you might recall: <a href="http://www.astronomyforum.net/amateur-astronomy-forum/43716-has-tasco-ruined-celestron.html" target="_blank">http://www.astronomyforum.net/amateur-astronomy-forum/43716-has-tasco-ruined-celestron.html</a>OTOH, Zen Ray was a tabula rasa, with no past image to overcome except the stigma(ta) of being "Made in RED China". When I was a kid, "Made in Japan" had the stigma of being associated with "cheaply made trinkets". By the end of this year, China will have supplanted Japan as the world's second largest economy (the Chinese economy is expected to grow faster than any other country this year - 9%, second is the Asian Pacific, with 6.3%). I'm glad we are both happy with our ED ChinBins. Gakusei Brock</blockquote>

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