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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paul goode" data-source="post: 1208975" data-attributes="member: 5522">You beat me to it Roy! Its often posted on here that you can use short lenses for bird photography but in my experience thats the exception rather than the norm, assuming we are talking wild birds <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> The Siskin is an example. The lens needed an extension tube to focus so I was probably about 10'-12' from it, and yet it still needed a 1.4x on the 500mm to get the bird pretty well full frame.I agree that shots of the birds showing more habitat could be achieved with a shorter lens but the Chaffinch wasn't far away but still needed 700mm to avoid much cropping</blockquote>