Motacilla flava ssp. (Spain) (1 Viewer)

[SLopezM]

Hello everyone. I found these two birds yesterday in a crop area in Guadalajara (Spain).

I am almost sure the first individual (first two pictures) is Motacilla flava ssp. flava. Is it an adult male?

The second individual (last picture) is more difficult for me. Is it a juvenile? A female? Is it possible to know the subspecies it belongs to?

 

[Nutcracker]

Agree M. f. flava for pics 1-2. I suspect #3 is M. f. flava too; a female (too bright to be a juvenile).

 

[SLopezM]

Thank you! I thought it was not possible to tell the ssp. if it was not a male adult. What makes you thinks no. 3 is M. f. flava too? I believed it was M. f. iberiae.

 

[Nutcracker]

Thank you! I thought it was not possible to tell the ssp. if it was not a male adult. What makes you thinks no. 3 is M. f. flava too? I believed it was M. f. iberiae.

That's why I said 'suspect it is too' - not being definite 8-P

The females have a shadow of the males' pattern, so I'd expect a female iberiae to have a darker head than a female flava - but telling a female iberiae from a female cinereocapilla (or even a thunbergi) may be impossible?