My 2007 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Surreybirder]

Hi, John, rusty memory - I should have put toadflax pug as the confusions species. I'll let someone else comment on your micros. The first one has some resemblance to Lozotaenia forsterana - I put one up for confirmation that no one replied to - but it's not quite the same.
Ken

 

[Brian Stone]

I trapped last night from 10:15pm until 01:45am and had a very good catch. As usual a lot of them are brain teasers and i have spent all day both photographing and tring to ID them. there are still a lot I am sifting through but see if you agree (or disagree) with my first few.

1. Poss Sycamore
2. Poss Varied Coronet
3. Poss Dusky Brocade
4. Poss Codling Moth
5. Poss Hedya ochroleucana

John

What else did you think 1&2 might be John? They look spot on to me.

3 looks like Dark Arches but if you were thinking Dusky Brocade (which it ain't IMO) it must have been on the small side.

The oly is probably pruniana.

 

[Brian Stone]

Hi Ken

Thanks for that. I saw your first answer and like you I thought dark arches until I really looked at it. i don't think it is dark Arches but I felt fairly confident of Dusky Brocade. The first two are new moths for me. That Varied Coronet is a cracker of a moth isn't it. I nearly overlooked it as it was stuck under a Large Yellow Underwing. I was just about to tip that moth into some undergrowth and I saw something move underneath the big moth.

Here are a few more I have thoughts on.

1. Poss Foxglove Pug
2. Poss Small Yellow Wave
3. Poss Crambus lathoniellus (not sure about this one but I'm sure I can make out two thin white lines creating a V effect at the shoulder.

That's it for now as I am working on the rest.

John

1. Foxglove - the outer median fascia cuts back towards the base at the dorsum. Straighter in Toadflax.
2. Ken has it.
3. Crambus perlella

 

[Brian Stone]

Hi Ken

yarrow Pug isn't down as a confusion species in Warings. The wings are also larger on the yarrow starting at 12mm. my moth's wing span is 10mm. The confusion species is Toadflax but the habitat is wrong for it around here.

I missed Dwarf Cream Wave and that's a new one for me.

I have ID'd some more. see what you think.

1. Poss Acleris notana
2. Poss Brown Oak Tortrix
3. poss Ptycholomoides aeriferanus
4. Poss Dipleurina lacustrata

John

3. Celypha striana
4. I'd have gone for Eudonia mercurella but the usual scop caveats apply.

I'll pass on the others but if it's notana you can't separate it from ferrugana without dissection.

 

[Reader]

What else did you think 1&2 might be John? They look spot on to me.

3 looks like Dark Arches but if you were thinking Dusky Brocade (which it ain't IMO) it must have been on the small side.

The oly is probably pruniana.

The first two are moths I have never seen before and when that happens I start to doubt myself. Don't forget I am nowhere in the class of you guys as I am playing at it in comparison to you all.

Looking at some back photos of Dark Arches none of them look anything like this one but I have to admit that now I have checked the grid squares that both moths cover and they appear to be of similar size so you are probably right. I really didn't think it looked like a Dark Arches, which is a moth I can usually ID at a glance.

Looking at UK Moths I tend to agree with pruniana. One of those I looked at myself but passed over in favour of my ID.

Thanks for the help Brian.

John

 

[Reader]

3. Celypha striana
4. I'd have gone for Eudonia mercurella but the usual scop caveats apply.

What does that mean Brian?

I'll pass on the others but if it's notana you can't separate it from ferrugana without dissection.

I only have three left and once those are done I will re-attach those outstanding to see what others think.

1. Poss Pale Mottled Willow
2. Poss Rustic Shoulder-knot
3. This one's beat me.

John

 

[Brian Stone]

The first two are moths I have never seen before and when that happens I start to doubt myself. Don't forget I am nowhere in the class of you guys as I am playing at it in comparison to you all.

Sorry John. I think you can have a little confidence that you're hitting the mark with most.

 

[Surreybirder]

I would think that the last micro is E postvittana.
Ken

 

[Brian Stone]

4. I'd have gone for Eudonia mercurella but the usual scop caveats apply.

By which I mean that the Scoparinae are notoriously difficult.

 

[Reader]

I would think that the last micro is E postvittana.
Ken

Blimey Ken. I wouldn't have given that a thought but now that I have gone through the variables on UK Moths I can see what you mean.

BTW any thoughts on the other two?

John

 

[Brian Stone]

1. Poss Pale Mottled Willow
2. Poss Rustic Shoulder-knot

Agree with both.

 

[Reader]

Agree with both.

Thanks Brian

It's nice to have time to study them. Whilst I am off sick I have the chance to do that but once I am back up and running it will be a different matter. My Mothing will be drastically cut short.

I must admit I am enjoying the challenge of working all these out.

I actually caught 42 species last night (plus those still waiting ID) so I have spent all day working a lot of them out.

Thanks to you guys for helping me out on those awkward ones.

John

 

[Reader]

The only one's that haven't been firmed up are these two.

What are your conclusions (if any).

I have attached two different images to those I presented earlier.

John

 

[Surreybirder]

The first is quite close to forsterana but I've seen 3 of those and they were all identical to each other and not quite the same as yours. I think it may be a very worn Archips sp. or something close to that.
The other looks like a dull version of Xylosteana so I guess that you may well be right with your orginal ID.
Ken

 

[Reader]

The first is quite close to forsterana but I've seen 3 of those and they were all identical to each other and not quite the same as yours. I think it may be a very worn Archips sp. or something close to that.
The other looks like a dull version of Xylosteana so I guess that you may well be right with your orginal ID.
Ken

Thanks Ken

I think the first one will remain a mystery. I still feel the 2nd one is a Brown Oak Tortrix as I can't really find anything else like it.

Does anyone else have an opinion on these.

John

 

[Oenanthe]

Hi John
Could the one you are struggling with be possibly Clepsis spectrana ?

Damian

 

[Reader]

Hi John
Could the one you are struggling with be possibly Clepsis spectrana ?

Damian

Hi damian

I put this image onto our Warwickshire Moth group site and they had stated that the moth is as you say.

Thanks mate.

John

 

[Reader]

I ran a trap last night for 4 hours. Still caught about 100+ moths but only 17 Heart and Darts (by far my lowest this year). This meant that I have caught quite a few different species (about 35 species so far). There are a few I need clarification on and maybe a bit later (if I still haven't sorted them out) one or two I may not know.

1. Agapeta hamana
2. Celypha striana
3. Poss Spotted Shoot Moth
4. Thistle Ermine
5. Scoparia ambigualis

 

[Brian Stone]

I ran a trap last night for 4 hours. Still caught about 100+ moths but only 17 Heart and Darts (by far my lowest this year). This meant that I have caught quite a few different species (about 35 species so far). There are a few I need clarification on and maybe a bit later (if I still haven't sorted them out) one or two I may not know.

1. Agapeta hamana Yes
2. Celypha striana Yes
3. Poss Spotted Shoot Moth Cnephasia sp. (needs dissecting)
4. Thistle Ermine Yes
5. Scoparia ambigualis Wouldn't like to say for sure

I hate Scoparinae!

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian

i really thought I had No. 3 nailed. Oh well better luck next time.

How about these.

1. Light Brown Apple Moth
2. Dunbar
3. ???
4. Probable Lesser Yellow Underwing. I couldn't get a shot with its wing open but it was smaller than a large Y U and did have a thin black line on the underwing.
5. Don't know. this is a minute moth (if indeed it is a moth). possibly less than half the size of a crambid.

John