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My 2007 Moth catches (1 Viewer)
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Reader
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Thanks david
That is one i thought would end up unidentified. It was so small and always on the move (even after 10 hours in the fridge) that I was surprised I even got a photo of it.
How about the other four?
John
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Ken Noble
I think I'd have gone for lesser yellow underwing... it doesn't seem to be the right shape for least.
Ken
Ken
Reader
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I would agree Ken, also the underwing had a thin black line whereas i think the Least has a thicker black line on it.
John
Reader
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Thanks David
I had considered No.3 three to be your suggestion, as I had caught one last week, but it seemed a little different than that one. I wasn't confident enough to call it.
I did look at Mottled Rustic but have never seen one before so I certainly wasn't confident on that at all.
I thought the pug would be beyond recognition.
John
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The only ones that have not been firmed up from earlier photos are these two.
1and 2. Which I thought was a Poss Spotted Shoot Moth but Brian thought was a Cnephasia sp
3. I thought was a Scoparia ambigualis
BTW I have a 4th which looks like a Marbled Minor but I suppose it will have to go down as a Marbled Minor agg won't it.
John
1and 2. Which I thought was a Poss Spotted Shoot Moth but Brian thought was a Cnephasia sp
3. I thought was a Scoparia ambigualis
BTW I have a 4th which looks like a Marbled Minor but I suppose it will have to go down as a Marbled Minor agg won't it.
John
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davidg
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1/2 Brian's right, I think, a Cnephasia.
3 I'd agree with ambigualis
4 yes - MM agg.
By the way anyone know how to pronounce 'Cnephasia'?
David
Reader
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Thanks David
I will give the Cnephasia species a thorough check.
In the end it was a fairly productive night for a four hour trapping. Not quite as many moths, considering I don’t usually trap that long (145 + in three hours e.g). 110 Moths in all but covering 41 species plus the one still remaining to be ID'd
John
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Ken Noble
Could the last one be a middle-barred minor?
How you pronounce these scientific names is an interesting question. I had been happily saying Pyralid as pi (as in 'pit') ra (as in 'rat') lid, with the stress on the first syllable. But when I went to a meeting of Surrey recorders I found that Jim Porter was talking about pie-ra-lid with the stress on the second syllable.
Ken
How you pronounce these scientific names is an interesting question. I had been happily saying Pyralid as pi (as in 'pit') ra (as in 'rat') lid, with the stress on the first syllable. But when I went to a meeting of Surrey recorders I found that Jim Porter was talking about pie-ra-lid with the stress on the second syllable.
Ken
Reader
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I have been studying this moth and if I were to compare it to the illustrations in Warings it would look closer to Rufous Minor. What do you think?
John
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Ken Noble
You're probably right - so Oligia sp. it is.
Ken
Ken
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black52bird
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Church Latin and Scientific Latin
Unfortunately, Ken,
Lots of British people pronounce Latin names in an English way (e.g. your Surrey recorder's incorrect "pie-ra-lid") It should be as you wrote it. In the same vein, one can hear people saying Chrysanthemum with a "Cry" beginning instead of a "Cri" (as in "Cricket"). (I can't write it in true phonetics here, as I don't have access to the alphabet on this site!!). Most Brits also say Geranium, as Ju (as in 'jug') - ray - knee - um, rather than the correct 'Ge' sound as at the start of 'get' , then 'ran' as in 'ran' then 'ee-um' I think this kind of error is particularly strong for popular garden flowers where the words, like Geranium, are in widespread use. Although some, for example Gladiolus, are usually pronounced correctly (though one can hear the 'i' said as we pronounce the letter 'I', rather than as 'ee'.
Of course, part of the problem is the inconsistency in the way the same sound is written in the English language itself (here I'm speaking with my professional hat on, as a linguist!!), which leads people into error. And partly it's the problem of those brought up with British Church and School Latin, which frequently bear little resemblance to how it would have been spoken in ancient Rome. In a sense, I feel fortunate to have had the good models of my natural history friends in Italy, which is as the original, and elsewhere in continental Europe,where it is closer than the British version.
It's all very interesting for someone in my line of work, I must say.
Best
David
Unfortunately, Ken,
Lots of British people pronounce Latin names in an English way (e.g. your Surrey recorder's incorrect "pie-ra-lid") It should be as you wrote it. In the same vein, one can hear people saying Chrysanthemum with a "Cry" beginning instead of a "Cri" (as in "Cricket"). (I can't write it in true phonetics here, as I don't have access to the alphabet on this site!!). Most Brits also say Geranium, as Ju (as in 'jug') - ray - knee - um, rather than the correct 'Ge' sound as at the start of 'get' , then 'ran' as in 'ran' then 'ee-um' I think this kind of error is particularly strong for popular garden flowers where the words, like Geranium, are in widespread use. Although some, for example Gladiolus, are usually pronounced correctly (though one can hear the 'i' said as we pronounce the letter 'I', rather than as 'ee'.
Of course, part of the problem is the inconsistency in the way the same sound is written in the English language itself (here I'm speaking with my professional hat on, as a linguist!!), which leads people into error. And partly it's the problem of those brought up with British Church and School Latin, which frequently bear little resemblance to how it would have been spoken in ancient Rome. In a sense, I feel fortunate to have had the good models of my natural history friends in Italy, which is as the original, and elsewhere in continental Europe,where it is closer than the British version.
It's all very interesting for someone in my line of work, I must say.
Best
David
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Ken Noble
Wow, David, I'd forgotten that you were a linguist! I seem to remember there was a thread on pronouncing 'Latin' bird names, so no doubt you were active there, too.
I thought that a lot of the Scientific names had Greek origins as well as Latin, so perhaps that also leads to confusion/ambiguity?
It's an awful long time since I had to do Latin 'O'-level so I don't claim any expertise. But on the strength of your authority I'll stick to my way of pronouncing Pyralid!
Ken
I thought that a lot of the Scientific names had Greek origins as well as Latin, so perhaps that also leads to confusion/ambiguity?
It's an awful long time since I had to do Latin 'O'-level so I don't claim any expertise. But on the strength of your authority I'll stick to my way of pronouncing Pyralid!
Ken
Basher
The Crimson Avenger
Could I just ask you good folk for a quick moth i.d/confirmation for the 2 photos below taken today in Sussex.
Been trawling through the UKMoths thumbnails for way too long tonight for the first photo and I'm not getting nowhere. The moth does remind me of a peach flavoured chewy sweet I used to like tho.
And photo 2. Kent Black Arches?
Thanks in advance for any moth assistance
Basher
Been trawling through the UKMoths thumbnails for way too long tonight for the first photo and I'm not getting nowhere. The moth does remind me of a peach flavoured chewy sweet I used to like tho.
And photo 2. Kent Black Arches?
Thanks in advance for any moth assistance
Basher
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Ken Noble
The first is one that comes up fairly frequently: Carcina quercana
Ken
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Brian Stone
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Must be Kent Black Arches. Nice one.
