My 2007 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Reader]

Thats a Heart & Dart - check out the black headband. Plus it's usually bigger than Shuttle-shaped Dart. If those are 2mm squares it would be far too big for the latter.

Yes to Small Fan-footed Wave.

Thanks Brian

The H&T threw me with its tightly closed wings. I can't recall trapping one before that resembled a dart shape as much as this, plus a Shuttle-shaped Dart at the larger end has a similar wing span to a H&T at the smaller end.

As you can see I was having trouble in calling it a SSD due to the fact that I attached the photo for clarification.

Thanks for the help on the Wave, which is a new moth for me.

John

 

[Surreybirder]

What a night. The wind was so bad that I moved the trap into the garage with the door up so the trap wouldn't blow away. The wind blew a few of my feeders off the trees plus a couple of bird tables were blown over. A few showers came and went then the wind turned around and blew straight into the garage, lifting the perspex on the traps. I had to place a couple of pieces of wood on them to hold them down then the wind started to move the trap so at 2am I gave up.


John

It's gusty here, too. I went out to get some Verbascum leaves for my mullein sharks and found several cinnabar larvae on them... presumably blown from nearby ragwort! Then all the pots in which I rear larvae had blown around my shed... I think I managed to sort them out again. I've got a prob. scarce umber pupa and a scarce footman pupa, plus a larva which seems to be Agonopterix arenella. Quite a summer so far!
Ken

 

[Reader]

I think I made a big mistake trapping last night. At last my back had eased enough for me to ask to go back to work on reduced hours from Monday. It also meant that at last I could try for a day out birding on Saturday, which I did. I went to Suffolk and Norfolk from early morning and didn't get back until 22:15 and straight away I put the trap out.

I stayed with it until 2am and by then I was totally exhausted and just had to put the trap away and go to bed. I awoke at nearly 9am totally knackered and for the rest of the day I felt absolutely rotten.

I had managed to trap 120+ moths in just over three hours of which I have managed to ID 38 species but to be honest I can't seem to concentrate too much and I think I am going to need your help that bit more today. I just can't seem to concentrate enough on what I am looking at.

I will attach a few that i think I know then start on those that are confusing me.

1 & 2. poss Ancylis achatana (I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong on this one.)

3. Poss Poplar Grey
4. Apple - Orchard Ermine (is it possible to separate them without dissecting?
5. ???

John

 

[black52bird]

I will attach a few that i think I know then start on those that are confusing me.


5. ???

John[/QUOTE]

John - isn't No 5 the frighteningly named Argyrotaenia ljungiana (Tortricinae -see No. 974 on UKMoths to check) ?

Any good birds about in Norfolk and Suffolk? (I shall be in Norwich for 2 weeks as of 14th July!!)

Best

David

 

[Surreybirder]

5 looks the same as 1 to me.
Ken

 

[Brian Stone]

Agree with your IDs John and I think 5 is another achatana.

 

[Reader]

5 looks the same as 1 to me.
Ken

It's not the same moth but as Brian states it is the same species.

I told you I wasn't concentrating properly.

The achatana and the Poplar Grey are new Moths for me. What about the Ermine. Is it possible to split those two species.

Now see what you think of the following please.

1 & 2. ???
3. ???
4 & 5. Poss Smokey Wainscot

John

 

[Surreybirder]

The wainscot looks like smoky but I'd be inclined to examine the underwing to be sure.
The orange tufted micro looks familiar... which isn't much help!
Ken

 

[Reader]

The wainscot looks like smoky but I'd be inclined to examine the underwing to be sure.
The orange tufted micro looks familiar... which isn't much help!
Ken

Hi Ken

Doesn't the view of the underside give you any clues then?

What about the first one. I haven't seen anything like that one before.

John

 

[Brian Stone]

First one is Eucosma cana.

#3 is Batia unitella.

The Wainscot is probably Smoky. The wings need to be spread very slightly to see the dark underside but I'll bet that's what it is.

 

[Reader]

First one is Eucosma cana.

#3 is Batia unitella.

The Wainscot is probably Smoky. The wings need to be spread very slightly to see the dark underside but I'll bet that's what it is.

Thanks Brian

I actually looked at the first one and passed it over. Just shows you what I know.:-O

I actually kept that Wainscot in the Fridge and have just spread the wings and it is dark underneath. here is a photo of it. Does it confirm the ID?

There are just three others left. The 2 & 3rd I am sure I have seen before but I think the 4th & 5th are beyond identification due to how much they are worn.

The 2nd & 3rd is obviously the same moth but the last two are different moths.

John

 

[Brian Stone]

#1 Yes. Smoky Wainscot.
#2/3 Check the micro ID thread
#4 Thought about Double-striped Pug but perhaps not
#5 Don't fancy that one much.

 

[PaulK]

I'd chuck the pugs - i think you've gotta draw the line somewhere!!

 

[Reader]

#1 Yes. Smoky Wainscot.
#2/3 Check the micro ID thread
#4 Thought about Double-striped Pug but perhaps not
#5 Don't fancy that one much.

Thanks Brian ref the Smokey Wainscot

I have looked in the the Micro thread but can't find that moth (unless I am missing something. I hadn't seen that thread before. I will have a look to see if I have any Micro's that I can contribute to the thread.

John

 

[Reader]

I'd chuck the pugs - i think you've gotta draw the line somewhere!!

Hi Paul

I did state that I thought they were beyond recognition but some of these guys are so good at identifying moths that I thought it better to post them than leave them.

John

 

[Brian Stone]

I have looked in the the Micro thread but can't find that moth (unless I am missing something.

It's Euzophera pinguis. Check post #25.

 

[Reader]

It's Euzophera pinguis. Check post #25.

Thanks Brian

I actually had a quick look at that one and because of its stance thought it wasn't that moth.

I have had a quick look in my older photos and I have trapped this moth before but the images I managed this time are much better marked than my old ones and again I thought it was another moth.

Thanks again for your help Brian. I probably won't call upon you again for a while as I don't think I will be trapping that often now (unless my back starts to play up again) as Ii will be out doing some birding and photography and I don't fancy doing what I did on Saturday as it totally knackered me up for Sunday. So much so that I was still tired when I eventually got to work this morning.

John

 

[Reader]

What a night last night. I was going to put the trap out around 9;30pm but we were suddenly hit with a torrent of rain that kept going until virtually midnight. As you can guess I didn't even consider putting the trap out whilst that was going on. I had all but given up and was about to go to bed around midnight and it stopped raining, but it still felt like there was more to come so I opened up the garage door and place the trap under the door, just inside the garage and turned it on. Almost as soon as I walked back into the house the rains came down again, and it was on and off for the next 90 minutes. At 01:30am I gave up and packed in.

By the end of the 90 minutes I was left with two that I am sure I know, one that could be a new moth for me and and two I don't know plus I had amassed the following.

12 x Rustic aggs
12 x Mother of Pearl
7 x Chrysoteuchia culmella
6 x Snout
5 x Dark Arches
3 x Silver Y
2 x Crambus pascuella
1 x Large Yellow Underwing
1 x Elephant Hawkmoth
1 x Swallowtail
1 x Peppered Moth
1 x Spectacle
1 x Scalloped Oak
1 x Dunbar
1 x fan Foot
1 x Bright-line Brown-eye
1 x Heart & Dart
1 x Early Thorn
1 x The Clay
1 x Common Emerald
1 x Agapeta hamana

Plus the following ones for ID.

1. Poss Buff Footman
2. Ancylis achatana
3. Poss Eucosma cana
4. ???
5. ???

John

 

[PaulK]

I'd agree with Buff Footman for the first - not one I get at home though

http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=3122

 

[Surreybirder]

4 could be one of the Acleris sp. (very worn)
Has 5 got any scales left !
I don't feel confident with the various footmen. Why isn't it orange?
Ken