My 2007 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Oenanthe]

4&5 look like a worn Scoparia type.

Damian

 

[Brian Stone]

First two look lke splendana, next is Borkhausenia fuscescens and, yes, I'd forget about the worn scop.

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian and Damian.

BTW what is your opinion of the Marbled Beauty in post 339. Is it right that they come as small as that or is there another moth very similar that I have missed.

John

 

[Brian Stone]

One minute moth-ers will be telling you to quote size when asking for an ID, the next they'll be explaining that species can vary in size and runts can occur due to poor feeding during the larval stage.

I raised some Chocolate-tips recently and couldn't find any food plant for a week; they wouldn't eat anything else. The resulting adults were tiny. Hardy little devils though surviving that long without food.

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian

You live and learn.:t:

John

 

[Reader]

I was on Anglesey today and one of the places I called into was Malltreath. As I walked along the Cob I saw a day flying moth (in fact I saw two of them). At first I thought I thought it was a butterfly but it had markings I didn't recognise. Thankfully it landed onto some grass but then proceeded to burrow into it. I managed to extricate it and held it between the palms of both hands.

It was too restless to put down and I managed a quick squint at it before it wriggled out and was off.

Now that I am home it is obvious that it was one of the Oak Eggars (what a beauty of a Moth) but which one would it likely to be on Anglesey, right on the coast?

John

 

[Reader]

Well I was hoping for an answer to my last post as I would love to know what it was that I was watching.

I ran another two hour trap last night and caught some smart moths. I am up to 34 species so far with a few still left to look at.

Can you look at these first three. The Footman is probably a worn Scarce but I was hoping for Hoary. The 2nd I am convinced is a Small Phoenix as opposed to Phoenix (either of which would be a new moth for me) and is the third a Cloaked Minor?

John

 

[PaulK]

Another worn scarce i'm affraid. Too much yellow on the edge of the wing. Yes to Small Phoenix and I presume the last is Cloaked Minor but I've never seen one that colour with as little markings my self.

 

[PaulK]

I would have said that your Eggar was probably just Oak Eggar. Big things - bigger than a Drinker (to give you an idea of size)

 

[Reader]

I would have said that your Eggar was probably just Oak Eggar. Big things - bigger than a Drinker (to give you an idea of size)

Cheers Paul

Even though I had never seen one before I new it was an Egger straight away but which one was another story.

Thanks for the ID's on the others. For a time I thought everyone was on holiday. I have 5 left that unusually of late I am struggling with. I have been checking over two days and apart from the first one the others are defeating me. See what you think.

1. Poss Acleris laterana
2. ? I did consider garden dart.
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?

John

 

[PaulK]

I would have said Square-spot Rustic for number 2. As a rule I dont do micros but could 4 be Bud Moth

 

[Reader]

I would have said Square-spot Rustic for number 2. As a rule I dont do micros but could 4 be Bud Moth

Hi Paul

I never thought of Square-spot Rustic. Looking at it again I think your right.

Regarding No.4. I don't think it is a Bud Moth (but I could easily be wrong).

Below is a link to one on UK Moths.
http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1156

Plus one that I have caught in the last week.

John

 

[Reader]

I forgot to add. I'm pretty certain this the first image is a Acleris forsskaleana. It's just that all those I have trapped before have come with a thick centre marking, such as the 2nd image.

John

 

[Oenanthe]

Number 4 could well be a Bud Moth,they are very variable.

5 is Helcystogramma rufescens.

Yes I'ts Acleris forsskaleana,I've had some myself without the darker central marking.

Damian

 

[Reader]

Number 4 could well be a Bud Moth,they are very variable.

5 is Helcystogramma rufescens.

Yes I'ts Acleris forsskaleana,I've had some myself without the darker central marking.

Damian

Thanks Damian

What about images 1 & 3? Is No. 3 another Bud Moth & am I right with my tentative ID on No. 1?

John

 

[Oenanthe]

Number 1 could well be laterana on flight time,however they can only be reliably sorted from Strawberry Tortrix Acleris comariana, by having their bits looked at.

3 is probably another Bud Moth it does show the dark blotch at the rear of the wings,should be roughly diamond shaped when viewed from above.

Damian

 

[Brian Stone]

1. Poss Acleris laterana
2. ? I did consider garden dart.
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?

1. Yes, f. labeculana
2. Agree with Paul
3. I think Bud Moth, rather variable species
4. Not sure. Codling Moth Cydia pomonella?
5. Helcystogramma rufescens

 

[Reader]

1. Yes, f. labeculana
2. Agree with Paul
3. I think Bud Moth, rather variable species
4. Not sure. Codling Moth Cydia pomonella?
5. Helcystogramma rufescens

Hi Brian

Mmmm food for thought. Looks like 2,3 & 5 are sorted. No. 4 is a problem but what is f. labeculana. I mentioned Acleris laterana. Is that what it is or is your ID meaning something else?

John

 

[Brian Stone]

BTW I wouldn't argue with anything Damian has said.

 

[Brian Stone]

Hi Brian

Mmmm food for thought. Looks like 2,3 & 5 are sorted. No. 4 is a problem but what is f. labeculana. I mentioned Acleris laterana. Is that what it is or is your ID meaning something else?

John

I said yes to your ID, just gave the name of the form. Damian's right though, it's analogous with the proteana form of A. comariana. As well as flight time, size can be used to separate the two.