My 2007 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Reader]

I said yes to your ID, just gave the name of the form. Damian's right though, it's analogous with the proteana form of A. comariana. As well as flight time, size can be used to separate the two.

Thanks Brian

I must admit that the flight time is why I picked it as it seemed either too late or too early for comariana.

John

 

[Reader]

I ran a trap from 9;30pm until midnight last night. Not so many moths this time as it was very clear and a bit colder of late. There is a possibility of some new moths for me, one of which is below. I would like your opinion on the first two please.

The palps i think indicate Svensson's Copper Underwing on the first one.

1. Svensson's Copper Underwing
2 & 3. I hope is a Dark Brocade as I have never seen one before.

John

 

[davidg]

Hi John,

Svensson's Copper is right, I think, but the brocade is Straw Underwing.

David

 

[Reader]

Hi John,

Svensson's Copper is right, I think, but the brocade is Straw Underwing.

David

Thanks david

Straw Underwing is still a new moth for me.

Now I have a few problematical moths. One of them, if it is what I think it is, could be a good moth for our region (Dioryctria sylvestrella).

1 & 2 Poss Dioryctria sylvestrella
3. Poss Bird-cherry Ermine
4. Poss Epiblema roborana
5. Poss worn Triple-spotted Clay

John

 

[davidg]

John,

1 & 2. Pass
3. Yes Bird-cherry Ermine. You can tell it from the others by the rows of parallel dots.
4. Looks like Spilonota ocellana to me.
5. I'd go for Square-spot Rustic.

David

 

[Brian Stone]

John,

1 & 2. Pass

Not surprised. Does anyone really understand Dioryctria spp. that well. From what UK Moths says it doesn't look like sylvestrella; the subterminal fascia doesn't look that smooth.

 

[Reader]

John,

1 & 2. Pass
3. Yes Bird-cherry Ermine. You can tell it from the others by the rows of parallel dots.
4. Looks like Spilonota ocellana to me.
5. I'd go for Square-spot Rustic.

David

Thanks David

One or two people have pointed out the Bud Moth to me already. I have caught quite a few of them but this one seems differently marked to those I have photographed already.

I have had an agreement with Dioryctria sylvestrella in the Warwickshire Yahoo Group moth site. I have asked them to study it and clarify the ID. If it is I can imagine it being an important county moth.

Are there any Micro experts around to confirm or deny if it is Dioryctria sylvestrella in photos 1 & 2 please.

John

 

[Reader]

I did a moth night at a private site in Leics last night and have managed to ID virtually everything I trapped. However I have five left that have given me problems. Two I think I know, one is a toss up between two and two I can't get to grips with.

1. Celypha lacunana
2. I considered Udea uliginosalis until I read the description on UK Moths.
3. Is this a Yellow or a Brown Tail?
4. ???
5. Square-spot Rustic?

John

 

[davidg]

1 is Celpha lacunana and 5 is Small Square-spot. Pass on the others.

David

 

[Reader]

1 is Celpha lacunana and 5 is Small Square-spot. Pass on the others.

David

Thanks David

That's confirmed the two I thought I knew. Now for the reamaining three.

John

 

[Oenanthe]

Could 2 be Small Rufous ?
3 looks like Brown-tail to me
4 is Helcystogramma rufescens

Damian

 

[Steve Lister]

Brown-tail is quite scarce in Leics. Yellow-tail females can have brownish tails. The shape of the forewing is quite different between the two species but I can't make it out right well here. I wold expect it to be Yellow-tail though John.

Steve

 

[Brian Stone]

2 is Small Dotted Buff Photedes minima - a macro.
3. It's got a brown tail. Yellow-tail used to be called Gold-tail.
4. Helcystogramma rufescens
5. Confirmed? David is right with Small Square-spot (not Square-spot Rustic).

 

[Oenanthe]

John

I meant Small Dotted Buff as Brian says, not Small Rufous.
I'll blame being up all last night !!!!

Damian

 

[Brian Stone]

Brown-tail is quite scarce in Leics. Yellow-tail females can have brownish tails. The shape of the forewing is quite different between the two species but I can't make it out right well here.

I think the wing looks narrower and lacks any black mark. I'd be happy with Brown-tail.

 

[Reader]

2 is Small Dotted Buff Photedes minima - a macro.
3. It's got a brown tail. Yellow-tail used to be called Gold-tail.
4. Helcystogramma rufescens
5. Confirmed? David is right with Small Square-spot (not Square-spot Rustic).

Ooh, I missed the small in the Small Square spot didn't I.:-O

No wonder I couldn't find No.2. I was sure it was a Micro. Thanks for that Brian.

Are you saying it is a Brown Tail Brian?

Edit, sorry Brian I hadn't seen your last reply.

John

 

[Reader]

Brown-tail is quite scarce in Leics. Yellow-tail females can have brownish tails. The shape of the forewing is quite different between the two species but I can't make it out right well here. I wold expect it to be Yellow-tail though John.

Steve

Hi Steve

Brian & Damian think it is a Brown Tail and I must admit that when I left the site with the moth I thought it was a Yellow Tail until I had a chance to have a good look at it. The tail is definitely Brown.

Here are two more views of it.

John

 

[JvH]

The Brown-tail has a dark abdomen and the Yellow-tail has a white (and the tip can be anything from yellow to brown).

janis

 

[Reader]

The Brown-tail has a dark abdomen and the Yellow-tail has a white (and the tip can be anything from yellow to brown).

janis

Thanks Janis

That makes this a Yellow Tail then.

John

 

[Reader]

I think I know what the answer will be on this one.

Poss Acleris laterana or A. comariana

I know Common Rustics are known as Common Rustic aggs but here is a moth with markings that I have only seen on Common Rustics in Warings. Would it be safe to call it a Common Rustic or is still an agg?

John