My 2008 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Jos Stratford]

stay out of a thread when what you are talking about has no meaning in that thread. if you haven't learnt that after all these years then there's no hope.

Yep, clearly no hope for me, I raised an issue relating to the methods used in how you catch moths - the title is 'My 2008 Moth catches'. Seems fairly relevant, but maybe I am just a little lower in intellect.

You obviously you ARE trying to impose your thoughts on us.

If expressing a view is imposing a view, then I am sorry, I am guilty. However, it would seem that actively trying to exclude views by repeatedly telling someone to stay off a thread is closer to the title of imposing a one-sided view of things.


How lovely it is to have such a pleasant chat with you John.

 

[Reader]

Hi Mike

In all of this I forgot to say thank you for your ID.s. BTW photos 2 & 3 in post 228. They aren't Tinea Sp are they?

John

It is G. dealbana and the other is a Tinea sp.

Mike

 

[MikeWall]

Jos, for the sake of inflaming things further, and to avoid a flame war, I'll respond in another thread when I get a chance to start one. John did set this up as a single-issue ID thread so to respect that we'll take the debate such as it is, elsewhere, good idea yes?

John, yes I do believe 2 & 3 are very heavily worn tineids: Niditinea etc.

Mike

 

[Reader]

Thanks Mike

John, yes I do believe 2 & 3 are very heavily worn tineids: Niditinea etc.

Mike

 

[Reader]

I ran the trap from 21:45 to 03:15 last night. So far I have ID'd 350+ moths for 67 species and I have probably thirty or more still to ID.

For the first time I am feeling rather overwhelmed by so many moths that are catching me out. I will post a few images that may be a little easier than most to see what you think.

1. Can this be classed as Common Rustic or C R agg?
2. This looked like a Clay at first. Now I'm not so sure.
3. Euzophera pinguis?
4. Poss Dusky Brodcade
5. Poss Conobathra repandana

John

 

[Surreybirder]

If those are the easy ones I'll pass on the rest
I thought that the first was a clouded-bordered brindle, but I'm not sure.
I'd go with clay. Not sure what else it could be?
4 cabbage?
Ken

 

[Reader]

Hi Ken

They will get harder I can tell you.

I have got so caught up with the amount of different species that dropped in last night that I haven't looked as hard as I would have liked. I had take someone home at 4am and then only had a couple of hours sleep before I got up and started on what I had trapped.

Having another look at that Common Rustic I am pretty sure it's a Slender Brindle (which if it is is a new one for me).

Cabbage is possible for No.4 but I am not convinced.

How about anyone else. What's your thoughts?

John

If those are the easy ones I'll pass on the rest
I thought that the first was a clouded-bordered brindle, but I'm not sure.
I'd go with clay. Not sure what else it could be?
4 cabbage?
Ken

 

[Brian Stone]

I agree with your id's (incl the revised ones).

 

[Surreybirder]

I agree on slender brindle, I'd overlooked that one!
Ken

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian

I have never seen a Clay like that before. I have looked at all the sites, UK Moths, Hants Moths etc and none of them show the almost kidney shape that is on this moth. Have you ever caught one like that Brian?

Now for the next five.

1. Poss Agonopterix nervosa. The others (apart from A. assimilella) appear to be well out of their relevant flight times.
2. Poss Trachycera advenella
3. Poss Oak Nycteoline
4. Poss Grey Tortrix
5. Poss Bryotropha affinis

I still have 15 more that I am working on.

John

I agree with your id's (incl the revised ones).

 

[Brian Stone]

1. A. arenella
2. More inclined to T. advenella
3. Plausible
4. Cnephasias can't be done from photos
5. Pass

 

[Reader]

Hi Brian

Thanks for the input.

For No.1 A. arenella. That was my original ID until I looked on both UK Moths & Mikes site. UK Moths say it spends it adults life in winter & Mike's site states it has never been recorded in July in Hamps.

Any advances on the others guys?

John

1. A. arenella
2. More inclined to T. advenella
3. Plausible
4. Cnephasias can't be done from photos
5. Pass

 

[Brian Stone]

Hants Moths show it as very occcasional in July and it's late July and you aren't in Hants. I don't think it's out of the question but another opinion would be welcomed.

 

[Reader]

Hi Brian

I had forgot that grey means less than 10%. I thought it meant no show.

I am still a complete novice compared to you guys and can only go by process of elimination using the various web sites. I will more than likely get it wrong on quite a few occasions but at least you can see why I arrived at certain ID's.

Any advances on the last five images?

John

Hants Moths show it as very occcasional in July and it's late July and you aren't in Hants. I don't think it's out of the question but another opinion would be welcomed.

 

[MikeWall]

Thanks Brian

I have never seen a Clay like that before. I have looked at all the sites, UK Moths, Hants Moths etc and none of them show the almost kidney shape that is on this moth. Have you ever caught one like that Brian?

The 'kidney shape' is just wear. It shows the white discal spot of the Clay, so that's fine.

Mike

 

[MikeWall]

Agree with Brian on the second set. The third is Oak Nycteoline. The last could be one of a number of things.

Mike

 

[Reader]

Thanks Mike & Brian

I will go with those.

I am still having problems with some and I am close to the point of giving up on about thirteen of them but here are five of those thirteen. See what you guys think.

1. ???
2. Is it a Light Brown Apple Moth or something else?
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

John

Agree with Brian on the second set. The third is Oak Nycteoline. The last could be one of a number of things.

Mike

 

[Brian Stone]

First go.

#1 ?
#2 E. postvittana
#3 A. laterana/comariana (these are a dissection pair I think)
#4 ?
#5 Bud Moth

Last one is interesting as it keeps coming up and it's one I've struggled with in the past. It's very variable but there are some pointers beyond the initial size/shape.

Look at the position and angle of the demarcation between dark and light just basal side of half way. There is a dark trianglular mark towards the apex. Finally three black streaks are more or less distinct centrally towards the wing tip. These three points are marked on the attached pic and there's another for comparison.

 

[Reader]

Hi Brian

I have caught a few Bud Moths in the past but none as dark as this one. Something hopefully learnt again. That No. 1 is confusing me also. Obviously a Noctuidae but I can't find that looks anything like it.

Well you have whittled away three more. How about these.

1. ???
2. ???
3. Poss Batia unitella
4. ???
5. ???

John

First go.

#1 ?
#2 E. postvittana
#3 A. laterana/comariana (these are a dissection pair I think)
#4 ?
#5 Bud Moth

Last one is interesting as it keeps coming up and it's one I've struggled with in the past. It's very variable but there are some pointers beyond the initial size/shape.

Look at the position and angle of the demarcation between dark and light just basal side of half way. There is a dark trianglular mark towards the apex. Finally three black streaks are more or less distinct centrally towards the wing tip. These three points are marked on the attached pic and there's another for comparison.

 

[Brian Stone]

#1/2 gelechids beyond me
#3 Yes
#4 Cnephasia?
#5 Aaaargh!