My 2008 Moth catches (1 Viewer)

[Reader]

Don't tell me No. 5 is another Bud Moth. I thought the front end of the moth would be dark with a demarcation line. Please tell me that isn't a Bud Moth.

John

#1/2 gelechids beyond me
#3 Yes
#4 Cnephasia?
#5 Aaaargh!

 

[Brian Stone]

A lot of wear but it looks like one to me.

 

[Reader]

I would never have put that down as a Bud Moth.

Oh well. back to the drawing board.

So what about this last one?

John

A lot of wear but it looks like one to me.

 

[MikeWall]

#263: worn Cydia fagiglandana

 

[MikeWall]

#259: Brian says it all - the first might be Bryotropha terrella though

 

[MikeWall]

#257 to add to Brian's suggestion, the noctuid is a Cloaked Minor and the last tort is another fagiglandana

Mike

 

[Reader]

Mike, your a star.

Many thanks for those ID's. I have almost completed my list and am left with only three which it appears are beyond ID.

That ends my best ever total of species in one night, all 78 of them.

Last night I didn't do any trapping but I did find four moths. One on the garage door, two on the kitchen door window and one in the kitchen. Those that I ID'd were Red Twinned-spot Carpet and Double-striped Pug but the other two I need help with.

1. Blastobasis adustella?
2. ???

John

#259: Brian says it all - the first might be Bryotropha terrella though

 

[Reader]

No takers on the above two?

John

 

[Brian Stone]

1. Yes
2. The Clay

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian

I have never seen so many variables on the Clay before. It did look like a Clay but It seemed to be missing the white discal spot.

Here's one I found in the house last night. I'm pretty certain it's a Depressariinae and I think it's a Agonopterix heracliana but if it is I haven't seen one this dark before. In fact I can't recall any similar Depressariinae's this dark.

John

1. Yes
2. The Clay

 

[Brian Stone]

I'd agree with heracliana/ciliella.

 

[Reader]

Thanks Brian

Are they too difficult to split by photo?

John

I'd agree with heracliana/ciliella.

 

[MikeWall]

A.ciliella's distinguishing mark is the number of lines in the hindwing cilia (hence the scientific name). There are other (non-diagnostic) superficial differences that can be used to point to specimens worth investigating, like size (ciliella is slightly larger), but you really need to keep the moth. I think you're safe with heracliana on probability.

Re your last Clay, it has quite a clear discal spot.

Mike

 

[Reader]

Thanks Mike

I will go with heracliana rather than keep the moth.

John

A.ciliella's distinguishing mark is the number of lines in the hindwing cilia (hence the scientific name). There are other (non-diagnostic) superficial differences that can be used to point to specimens worth investigating, like size (ciliella is slightly larger), but you really need to keep the moth. I think you're safe with heracliana on probability.

Re your last Clay, it has quite a clear discal spot.

Mike

 

[Reader]

I trapped from 21:30 to 12:45 yesterday. It started off clear but within the hour torrential rain moved in and it continued to rain heavily for over an hour.

In that time I had to put my trap under the garage up / over door.

Consequently my numbers dropped significantly. I trapped 140 moths of which I have ID'd 138 of them for 48 species (+ 2 to be ID'd). Two are new for the garden, Brown-line Bright-eye and the stunning micro Ypsolopha sequella.

I am left with two moths to ID. The first is probably too worn to ID, but I know how good you guys are so I wouldn't put it passed one of you to give me the correct ID.

1&2. ???
3. ???

John

 

[Reader]

Could 2 & 3 be Gelechia senticetella?

John

I trapped from 21:30 to 12:45 yesterday. It started off clear but within the hour torrential rain moved in and it continued to rain heavily for over an hour.

In that time I had to put my trap under the garage up / over door.

Consequently my numbers dropped significantly. I trapped 140 moths of which I have ID'd 138 of them for 48 species (+ 2 to be ID'd). Two are new for the garden, Brown-line Bright-eye and the stunning micro Ypsolopha sequella.

I am left with two moths to ID. The first is probably too worn to ID, but I know how good you guys are so I wouldn't put it passed one of you to give me the correct ID.

1&2. ???
3. ???

John

 

[Reader]

I waas invited to do a mothing session on an SSSI site with 5 other guys. I have never trapped in a place like it before and consequently there were a few different moths around.

I trapped 516 moths and so far I have ID 68 species. I still have a few outstanding and following are five that I have had a good look at and come up with tenative ID's for them.

1. Poss Phycita roborella
2. Poss Epiblema incarnatana
3. Poss Endothenia gentianaeana
4. Poss Aethes smeathmanniana
5. Poss Cochylis atricapitana

John

 

[hjalava]

Could 2 & 3 be Gelechia senticetella?

John

...or G. sabinella.

 

[Reader]

I wish but it is a rare moth in Britain. That's why I went for my selection.

Any ideas on the other five anybody.

John

...or G. sabinella.

 

[Angus T]

I am left with two moths to ID. The first is probably too worn to ID, but I know how good you guys are so I wouldn't put it passed one of you to give me the correct ID.

John, I think it is Dun-bar