My Coventry garden Moths (1 Viewer)

[PaulK]

Agriphila geniculea seconded - just had two in my trap.

 

[Reader]

Hi John
I agree with Flounced Rustic but I think the other is

Regards Damian

Thanks damian

I can see where you are coming from with the 2nd ID but what is the difference between my suggestion. which is http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2418
and yours http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=3963

They look very similar with my inexperienced eyes and this is where I need to learn to try and pick out the finer points.

Any ideas on the previous phots for Poss Agriphila straminella. http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=751

John

 

[hjalava]

Here are some more for your thoughts.

1. I think is a Small Square Spot
2. I think is an Uncertain
3. I'm sure is a Dusky Thorn
4. Poss Agriphila straminella
5. Poss Agriphila straminella (different moth)

1. looks like a Scarce Bordered Straw (Heliothis armigera), see http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2527.
5. looks like another A. geniculea.

 

[PaulK]

I agree with Scarce Bordered Straw - just ignore my suggestion I wasn't thinking straight

 

[Reader]

1. looks like a Scarce Bordered Straw (Heliothis armigera), see http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2527.
5. looks like another A. geniculea.

I have to agree with your ID of number one. I don't know how I missed that one myself.


Are we now saying that photos 4 & 5 in post 196 & number 2 in post 199 are all A. geniculea?

What about photo number 2 in post 196. Do you agree with Vine Rustic or my suggestion of Uncertain - or could it be something else?

See what you think of my following ID's. I must admit that I have put in a few hours to try and sort some of these out.

1. Poss Apotomis sauciana
2. Poss Codling Moth
3. Poss Wax Moth
4. Poss Green Carpet
5. Poss Common Wave

John

 

[Steve Lister]

Hi John

Certainly agree on Codling, Wax Moth (I caught my first last night, but a male), and Green Carpet. No idea with the micro.

Steve

 

[Reader]

Hi John

Certainly agree on Codling, Wax Moth (I caught my first last night, but a male), and Green Carpet. No idea with the micro.

Steve

Thanks Steve

What about the last one. Do you agree with Common Wave. I can't think what else it is.

That first Micro is a bit of a pig. There are a lot of micro's that look very similar so I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

I still need confirmations on those earlier ones, mentioned in my previous reply, so if any of you have any ideas I would be most grateful.

John

 

[Surreybirder]

I agree with common wave and Vine's rustic. It's greyer than the one I posted recently at http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56562 but you can see the pale outlines to the stigmata.
Ken

 

[hjalava]

2. of 196 is too worn for me to id without seeing the underwings.

 

[Surreybirder]

Harri is a lot more experienced than me, so better treat VR with caution!
Ken

 

[Reader]

Harri is a lot more experienced than me, so better treat VR with caution!
Ken

Thanks Ken & Harri

I will keep the Poss vine Rustic as an unidentified. Hopefully I will get a good one visit me so that the uncertainty will be removed.

What about the Micro's. Any advances?

The last one from last night. Is this one a Common Waistcott

John

 

[Surreybirder]

I'm not too confident but it looks a bit smoky to me.
Ken

 

[Reader]

I'm not too confident but it looks a bit smoky to me.
Ken

Hi Ken

Thanks for that but I would definitely want confirmation on that as I haven't, knowingly, caught one before.

Aren't there any micro experts that can shed light on my outstanding micro's?

 

[hjalava]

Are we now saying that photos 4 & 5 in post 196 & number 2 in post 199 are all A. geniculea?

Yes.

1. Poss Apotomis sauciana
2. Poss Codling Moth
3. Poss Wax Moth
4. Poss Green Carpet
5. Poss Common Wave

1. looks most like a worn A. betuletana.

 

[hjalava]

The last one from last night. Is this one a Common Waistcott

Yes, it is (waistcott???).

 

[Reader]

Yes.




1. looks most like a worn A. betuletana.

Thanks Harri

Having looked at it I have to agree.

John

 

[Reader]

Yes, it is (waistcott???).

Hi Harri

You have confused me a bit with you bracketted comment. Is it a Common Waistcott or is it something else?

John

 

[Surreybirder]

I think Harri is suggesting that it's a common Wainscot. I thought that the rather grainy underwing might suggest that it was smoky. I'm not sure where the dividing line comes. I've certainly had commons that were whiter than that and smoky's that were not much darker. But smoky can have a very dark underwing.
Ken

 

[Reader]

I think Harri is suggesting that it's a common Wainscot. I thought that the rather grainy underwing might suggest that it was smoky. I'm not sure where the dividing line comes. I've certainly had commons that were whiter than that and smoky's that were not much darker. But smoky can have a very dark underwing.
Ken

Cheers Ken

I think Harri was probably pointing out my spelling mistake, with 2 tt's instead of one.

I will rename that as a Common Wainscot.

John

 

[MikeWall]

Thanks damian

I can see where you are coming from with the 2nd ID but what is the difference between my suggestion. which is http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2418
and yours http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=3963

They look very similar with my inexperienced eyes and this is where I need to learn to try and pick out the finer points.

Any ideas on the previous phots for Poss Agriphila straminella. http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=751

John

Pediasia contaminella almost always rests with a 'head down, bum high' posture, and is pretty scarce. To be serious about micro identification, you really need to get reference books which describe the diagnostic features, a photograph on a website often isn't sufficient. For pyralids, we're still dependent on Goater's book in the UK.