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James Jobling said:
My library is still in storage and to while away the hours I succumbed to creating new genera and subgenera for my own checklist, all citizen-science for my amusement and to keep up with Jim and Andrew, based mainly on morphology and geolocation. The following new fabrications are included under “Manuscript-names” in The Key. The specific epithets could be types if the names were adopted into nomenclature.

Atjehillas / Pycnonotus snouckaerti; Castanochlamys / Hemixos castanonotus; Chamorrornis / Metabolus takatsukasae; Galactogramma / Pycnonotus leucogrammicus; Garbanzornis / Metabolus godeffroyi; Hamartiomyza / Gymnomyza viridis; Melanoderaion / Lichmera notabilis; Melanoprosopeia / Hemixos cinereus; Monomeliphaga / Pycnopygius ixoides; Navorchilus / Hylorchilus navai; Nesobasileus / Myiagra eythrops; Onceromyias / Cyornis sanfordi; Phlogocichla / Liocichla phoenicea; Poecilotypops / Caligavis subfrenata; Rubixodia / Rubigula erythropthalmus; Sakalavaralla / Zapornia olivieri; Satrapeornis / Zoothera everetti; Scotinella / Ptiloprora plumbea; Suvarnapicos / Picus dedemi; Xaymacapicos / Melanerpes radiolatus; Zosteropais / Zosterornis striatus
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Garbanzornis is my new favourite word
 
James Jobling said:
My library is still in storage and to while away the hours I succumbed to creating new genera and subgenera for my own checklist, all citizen-science for my amusement and to keep up with Jim and Andrew, based mainly on morphology and geolocation. The following new fabrications are included under “Manuscript-names” in The Key. The specific epithets could be types if the names were adopted into nomenclature.

Atjehillas / Pycnonotus snouckaerti; Castanochlamys / Hemixos castanonotus; Chamorrornis / Metabolus takatsukasae; Galactogramma / Pycnonotus leucogrammicus; Garbanzornis / Metabolus godeffroyi; Hamartiomyza / Gymnomyza viridis; Melanoderaion / Lichmera notabilis; Melanoprosopeia / Hemixos cinereus; Monomeliphaga / Pycnopygius ixoides; Navorchilus / Hylorchilus navai; Nesobasileus / Myiagra eythrops; Onceromyias / Cyornis sanfordi; Phlogocichla / Liocichla phoenicea; Poecilotypops / Caligavis subfrenata; Rubixodia / Rubigula erythropthalmus; Sakalavaralla / Zapornia olivieri; Satrapeornis / Zoothera everetti; Scotinella / Ptiloprora plumbea; Suvarnapicos / Picus dedemi; Xaymacapicos / Melanerpes radiolatus; Zosteropais / Zosterornis striatus
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Hi James,

just going through your names and adding as informal synonyms to my personal list. Most of them are clearly welcome but there are a few that I'd like to understand the rationale behind.

Xaymacopicos - radiolatus is very close to superciliaris in the Centurus group of Melanerpes - why would it need its own name?

Ditto, Suvarnapicos - presumably, dedemi is very close to Picus canus and therefore deeply embedded in Picus. (Though some new names would be welcome for two Picus subgroups: (i) awokera; (ii) rabieri, viridanus, vittatus + xanthopygaeus).

Poecilotypops – amongst Caligavis, it is chrysops that represents the nameless, divergent lineage, so why give subfrenata a name but not chrysops?

Navorchilus – have I missed something? Is it not very closely related to Hylorchilus sumichrasti?

Castanochlamys - castanotus doesn't represent a divergent lineage within Hemixos (it is sibling to the type species flavala). Ditto Atjehillas – if separated from Pycnonotus, snouckaerti would surely belong in Crocopsis with the very closely related bimaculatus.

Also, Melanoderaion - within Lichmera, if notabilis gets its own name, then a new one is also required for the more divergent flavicans.

And unfortunately, Monarcharses Mathews, 1925 has the same type sp as Garbanzornis.

Cheers
 
Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your comments. My sole interest is in names; divergence, embedment and genomic analyses I leave to the professionals. The only rationale for my MS checklist would be considered an archaic nineteenth century one, based on morphology and geographical distribution. I don’t know how I missed Monarcharses (probably old age and weariness, the memory is not as fine-tuned as it used to be!) – farewell Garbanzornis, but the further Picidae and Meliphagidae you refer to obviously need attention.

All harmony,

James
 
Thanks to Andrew, serenity reigns. In memory of Garbanzornis (see #226) I coin:
Ancyropsis / Caligavis chrysops;
Haematostreptos / Picus rabieri;
Kizuzukia / Picus awokera;
Nematopicos / Picus vittatus;
Nesodieretornis / Lichmera flavicans
 
James Jobling said:
Thanks to Andrew, serenity reigns. In memory of Garbanzornis (see #226) I coin:
Ancyropsis / Caligavis chrysops;
Haematostreptos / Picus rabieri;
Kizuzukia / Picus awokera;
Nematopicos / Picus vittatus;
Nesodieretornis / Lichmera flavicans
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In theory, how will priority work for the three Picus synonyms - specifically between Haematostreptos and Nematopicos? (I presently have them in the same un-named subgenus)
 
andrew147 said:
In theory, how will priority work for the three Picus synonyms - specifically between Haematostreptos and Nematopicos? (I presently have them in the same un-named subgenus)
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"In theory" (= assuming that the same BF post could have made the names available simultaneously), and unless they were used as the valid name of taxa of different works when made available (in which case the name used for the taxon of higher rank has automatic precedence), you'd need First Reviser acts.
The first subsequent author who would cite two of the names and give precedence to one of these, either explicitly (by stating one has precedence over the other) or implicitly (by using one as valid and treating the other as a synonym of the one used as valid), for whatever reason (right or wrong), would fix the precedence between them.
 
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Jim LeNomenclatoriste said:
One thing, Poecilopternis Kaup, 1847, is available for Buteo platypterus
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In my notes, I have...

Poecilopternis Kaup 1847
OD : Kaup JJ. 1847. Monographien der Genera der Falconidae. Fünfte Monographie. V. Subfamilia. Buteoninae. Isis (Oken), 40: 325-386.; p. 325; 1847 - Isis von Oken - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Included nominal species : Buteo wilsonii (syn. pennsylvanicus, latissimus, platypterus), B. lineatus (syn. hyemalis), B. erythronotus (syn. tricolor, varius), B. borealis (syn. jamaicensis, leverianus, ferrugineocauda, americanus, ruficaudus)
Type : Falco borealis Gmelin 1788 (in use as a ssp name; at sp rank, syn. Falco jamaicensis Gmelin 1788)
Fixation by : subsequent designation
In : Gray GR. 1844-49. The genera of birds: comprising their generic characters, a notice of the habits of each genus, and an extensive list of species referred to their several genera. Longman, Brown, Green and Longmans, London.; p. 12 (2nd version, June 1849, replacing a page issued in May 1844)); v.1 (1844-1849) - The genera of birds - Biodiversity Heritage Library
OD of type: Linnaeus C, Gmelin JF. 1788. Systema naturæ per regna tria naturæ, secundum classes, ordines, genera, species; cum characteribus, differentiis, synonymis, locis. Edicio decima tertia, aucta, reformata. Tomus primus, pars I. GE Beer, Leipzig.; p. 266; p. v. 1, pt. 1 - Caroli a Linné ... Systema naturae per regna tria naturae - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Notes : A type designation of latissimus Ord 1824 (a syn. of Sparvius platypterus Vieillot 1823) by Sharpe 1874 (who attributed the species name incorrectly to Wilson 1812; Vol 1 (1874) - Catalogue of the Birds in the British Museum - Biodiversity Heritage Library ) has been accepted (e.g., Hellmayr & Connover 1949, who attributed the species name to Bonaparte 1824; v.13:pt.1:no.4 (1949) - Catalogue of birds of the Americas and the adjacent islands in Field Museum of Natural History - Biodiversity Heritage Library ), but was 25 years too late to be valid.
 
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l_raty said:
In my notes, I have...

Poecilopternis Kaup 1847
OD : Kaup JJ. 1847. Monographien der Genera der Falconidae. Fünfte Monographie. V. Subfamilia. Buteoninae. Isis (Oken), 40: 325-386.; p. 325; 1847 - Isis von Oken - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Included nominal species : Buteo wilsonii (syn. pennsylvanicus, latissimus, platypterus), B. lineatus (syn. hyemalis), B. erythronotus (syn. tricolor, varius), B. borealis (syn. jamaicensis, leverainus, ferrugineocauda, americanus, ruficaudus)
Type : Falco borealis Gmelin 1788 (in use as a ssp name; at sp rank, syn. Falco jamaicensis Gmelin 1788)
Fixation by : subsequent designation
In : Gray GR. 1844-49. The genera of birds: comprising their generic characters, a notice of the habits of each genus, and an extensive list of species referred to their several genera. Longman, Brown, Green and Longmans, London.; p. 12 (2nd version, June 1849, replacing a page issued in May 1844)); v.1 (1844-1849) - The genera of birds - Biodiversity Heritage Library
OD of type: Linnaeus C, Gmelin JF. 1788. Systema naturæ per regna tria naturæ, secundum classes, ordines, genera, species; cum characteribus, differentiis, synonymis, locis. Edicio decima tertia, aucta, reformata. Tomus primus, pars I. GE Beer, Leipzig.; p. 266; p. v. 1, pt. 1 - Caroli a Linné ... Systema naturae per regna tria naturae - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Notes : A type designation of latissimus Ord 1824 (a syn. of Sparvius platypterus Vieillot 1823) by Sharpe 1874 (who attributed the species name incorrectly to Wilson 1812; Vol 1 (1874) - Catalogue of the Birds in the British Museum - Biodiversity Heritage Library ) has been accepted (e.g., Hellmayr & Connover 1949, who attributed the species name to Bonaparte 1824; v.13:pt.1:no.4 (1949) - Catalogue of birds of the Americas and the adjacent islands in Field Museum of Natural History - Biodiversity Heritage Library ), but was 25 years too late to be valid.
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Well, okay.
 
l_raty said:
Falco borealis Gmelin 1788 (in use as a ssp name; at sp rank, syn. Falco jamaicensis Gmelin 1788)
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As an aside, who acted as first reviser to fix the precedence between these two names ?

(19th C (and early 20th C) authors appear to have used borealis as valid, and treated jamaicensis as a synonym. Falco jamaicensis and F. borealis were described at identical ranks, on the same page of Gmelin's edition of Systema Naturae, with jamaicensis ahead of borealis on this page. Is the fact that we now give precedence to jamaicensis the result of another illegitimate application of page/line precedence ?)
 
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l_raty said:
As an aside, who acted as first reviser to fix the precedence between these two names ?
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Gray 1844 is the earliest I find right now.
The AMERICAN BUZZARD. BUTEO borealis, Swains. Falco borealis, Gmel. S. N. i. 266. Wils. Amer. Orn. t. 52. f. 1. adult. F. Leverianus? Wils. Amer. Orn. t. 52. f. 2. young. F. ferrugineocauda, Vieill. Ois. Amer. Septr. t. 6. B. Americanus, Vieill. F. Leverianus, and F. Jamaicensis, Gmel. B. fulvus, Vieill. Accipiter ruficaudus, Vieill. Ois. d'Amer. t. 44. bis.
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Unless someone else did the opposite at an earlier date, this gives priority to borealis over jamaicensis (and leverianus, which was introduced on the same page as well).

The authors responsible for the present situation may be Wetmore & Swales 1931, who wrote:
The specific name of the red-tailed hawk must change from borealis to jamaicensis with the recognition of the Greater Antillean race as a valid form, since Gmelin who proposed both these names on the same page named jamaicensis first with borealis following. Through application of the principle of anteriority the scientific name of the red-tail becomes Buteo jamaicensis.
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No, thus. The position where a name appears on a page does not make it anterior (or posterior) relative to the other names appearing on the same page. Gmelin named jamaicensis and borealis at precisely the same time.
 
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Musing upon the mispronunciation of dedicatees' names I chanced upon some Laridae, and thought to add to my MS:
Mexicalarus / Larus heermanni
Oncomelarus / Ichthyaetus audouinii (the infamous "Ord-Wynne's Gull"!)
Philogelus / Ichthyaetus hemprichii
 

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