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RafaelMatias

Unknown member
Portugal
I've only seen Common Ostrich as far as I understand it. Unless I've seen introduced Somali Ostrich somewhere (which I don't count)
I just gave another look to the IOC treatment of Ostriches, and now I see where my idea came from. IOC actually presents a rather confusing treatment and it should be reviewed. Currently they show it as follows:

7Common OstrichStruthio camelusLinnaeus, 1758AF : w, c, e, swTAXSee Miller et al. (2011) re genetic structure and phylogeography of ostrich populations.
8S. c. syriacusRothschild, 1919Syrian and Arabian deserts
9S. c. camelusLinnaeus, 1758s Morocco and Mauritania to s Egypt, Eritrea and n, w Ethiopia, s to Cameroon and n Uganda
10Somali OstrichStruthio molybdophanesReichenow, 1883AF : Somalia and n KenyaASGenetic analyses support species recognition of Somali Ostrich and perhaps other subspecies groups (Miller et al. 2011).
11S. c. massaicusNeumann, 1898s Kenya and c Tanzania
12
13S. c. australisGurney Sr, 1868s Africa

So, Somali Ostrich is monotypic, but they place S. c. massaicus and S. c. australis after this species, while retaining them as subspecies of S. camelus. By reading Miller et al. 2011 (here) it becomes clear that 3 groups are recognized there, and massaicus/australis may represent a 3rd Ostrich species (or 2 further separate species). However, the way IOC is presenting the info it seems both are subspecies of Somali (which has no subspecies!).
So, IOC doesn't split the 3rd group yet (so no English name), but places that 3rd group away from the other Struthio camelus subspecies (while retaining them as subspecies of S. camelus), making a sandwich of Somali Ostrich. Clear as mud? :)
It seems this is a temporary treatment by IOC, but looks rather confusing.
So, in short, forget about my suggestion of Somali Ostrich! :)
 

Jacana

Will Jones
Hungary
I just gave another look to the IOC treatment of Ostriches, and now I see where my idea came from. IOC actually presents a rather confusing treatment and it should be reviewed. Currently they show it as follows:

7Common OstrichStruthio camelusLinnaeus, 1758AF : w, c, e, swTAXSee Miller et al. (2011) re genetic structure and phylogeography of ostrich populations.
8S. c. syriacusRothschild, 1919Syrian and Arabian deserts
9S. c. camelusLinnaeus, 1758s Morocco and Mauritania to s Egypt, Eritrea and n, w Ethiopia, s to Cameroon and n Uganda
10Somali OstrichStruthio molybdophanesReichenow, 1883AF : Somalia and n KenyaASGenetic analyses support species recognition of Somali Ostrich and perhaps other subspecies groups (Miller et al. 2011).
11S. c. massaicusNeumann, 1898s Kenya and c Tanzania
12
13S. c. australisGurney Sr, 1868s Africa

So, Somali Ostrich is monotypic, but they place S. c. massaicus and S. c. australis after this species, while retaining them as subspecies of S. camelus. By reading Miller et al. 2011 (here) it becomes clear that 3 groups are recognized there, and massaicus/australis may represent a 3rd Ostrich species (or 2 further separate species). However, the way IOC is presenting the info it seems both are subspecies of Somali (which has no subspecies!).
So, IOC doesn't split the 3rd group yet (so no English name), but places that 3rd group away from the other Struthio camelus subspecies (while retaining them as subspecies of S. camelus), making a sandwich of Somali Ostrich. Clear as mud? :)
It seems this is a temporary treatment by IOC, but looks rather confusing.
So, in short, forget about my suggestion of Somali Ostrich! :)
That must be an old checklist. V10.2 shows this:

camelusLinnaeus, 1758Common OstrichAFw, c, e, sw
syriacus †Rothschild, 1919Syrian and Arabian deserts
camelusLinnaeus, 1758s Morocco and Mauritania to s Egypt, Eritrea and n, w Ethiopia, s to Cameroon and n Uganda
massaicusNeumann, 1898s Kenya and c Tanzania
australisGurney Sr, 1868s Africa
molybdophanesReichenow, 1883Somali OstrichAFSomalia and n Kenya
 

RafaelMatias

Unknown member
Portugal
That must be an old checklist. V10.2 shows this:

camelusLinnaeus, 1758Common OstrichAFw, c, e, sw
syriacus †Rothschild, 1919Syrian and Arabian deserts
camelusLinnaeus, 1758s Morocco and Mauritania to s Egypt, Eritrea and n, w Ethiopia, s to Cameroon and n Uganda
massaicusNeumann, 1898s Kenya and c Tanzania
australisGurney Sr, 1868s Africa
molybdophanesReichenow, 1883Somali OstrichAFSomalia and n Kenya
Thanks Will, that is the treatment that makes sense.
But I still get the info I posted above when checking the online version 10.2. A direct link: https://www.worldbirdnames.org/new/bow/ratites/
The file has the name "IOC_Names_File_Plus-10.2g : 10.2g".
I guess your info comes from the downloadable masterlist? I had no idea it'd be different from the online version (and perhaps neither do them?).
 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening
Staff member
Supporter
Scotland
I might be able to find some more (have begun to do some taxonomic inspection of my list), but just checking through and I think I've played my last bird with Large Frogmouth.
 

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