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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chosun Juan" data-source="post: 3722370" data-attributes="member: 92780">Hi Joost,It is indeed a critically important revolution in thinking (well for Western, and modern Eastern culture anyway - Indigenous cultures understand this concept and 'country' much more innately).  I know you'd appreciate the learning contained in the two books written by Peter Andrews and I strongly recommend them to you.  :t:I think I posted somewhere in the AGW thread that (from memory) the soil carbon effects were ~10x greater than other factors. I don't recall the source (it may even have been IPCC based). I am certain that it is an under researched area.I'm not convinced that the CO2 levels are precursors rather than symptoms - I can't plough past all the assumptions in the literature because it just sets off too many red flags for me.  I think basic thermodynamics has been forgotten.This was demonstrated amply for me over summer when a river valley I overlook (on the western edge of the Sydney basin abutting the Blue Mountains), Penrith, NSW was  THE  hottest place on earth that day @47.3°C !  That's ridiculous - it's a river valley .... the trouble is that the hydrolic arteries have been clogged with concrete - the majority of the natural cooling vegetation replaced with a gazillion tons of concrete. Massive heat island effects and destruction of microclimate mechanisms.It is sad that something like 99% of these natural arteries have been degraded or destroyed. I wonder sometimes whether society has the appetite, or insight, to rip up swathes of housing, roads, bridges, drains, concrete lined canals etc to restore this natural functioning .....  ???   :cat:Chosun   :gh:</blockquote>

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