With the wide FOV combined with the excellent sharpness across the entire FOV 10x50 SV has to be AWESOME used on a tripod. Yes; 12x50 probably even better. But (and I think that's the opinion the most binoholics agree with) 12x is too much for comfortable free hand use, so 10x will be the best useful compromise for as well free hand and tripod.
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Vespobuteo
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It's easy to get all carried away by the 10x50 SV,
but going from 32 to 42mm objectives is far more significant
than from 42 to 50mm, 72% vs 42% larger lens area,
If NOT using a scope I could see the point with a 10x50,
otherwise, a 8x42 seems more reasonable,
but going from 32 to 42mm objectives is far more significant
than from 42 to 50mm, 72% vs 42% larger lens area,
If NOT using a scope I could see the point with a 10x50,
otherwise, a 8x42 seems more reasonable,
It depends on the type of birding you are doing also. A lot of close range warblers maybe the 8x42 but for longer distance say hawks or eagles and I will take the SV 10x50 every time.
Exactly. Although I have heard some people can hand hold the 12x also. Try it and see how steady you are. The two big SV's are easy to hold steady. They are surprising.
The 10X50 is my only pair of binos. I use them for anything from following butterflies to long distance views of raptors. Much has been made of their weight but I walked with them and a back pack for over 18 miles through the Wiltshire downs yesterday and they were simply not a problem. This is hilly terrain. Temperature not up to Utah but still 24degrees C when I got back to the car. Also very humid. Next month I will walk the 186 mile Pembroke Coastal route in South Wales, UK, and I will carry them all the way with a 35 lb backpack. I use the SV bino harness because any bino hanging round the neck is tedious, particularly when you are hot and walking for 5 hours or more. I never need a tripod.
I am sceptical about needing another pair of binos. If I went for the EL 8X30, I gain 22% extra field of vision, which I do not regard as monumental. For me, the weight is not an issue. I have tried the EL 10x32 and it is not a patch on the 10X50. I have also not noticed the Depth of Field as an issue.
On Friday I sat in a hide by a lake with 3 people, each one a far more experienced ornithologist than I and each with 8X42 binos, which tend to be the norm with bird watchers at least locally to here. I seemed to pick up more than they did and earlier, for example a grass snake swimming strongly with just the head visible to start with.
In my case, there is no need for another pair of binos and I do not have, and have no intention of buying, a scope.
My penny worth.
Rolstone
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Sanjay Naithani
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So as per you 10*50 SV is the best among all SV. 10/10 for this one
If you can hold the 10x50 SV's steady and they work for you there is no reason for a scope. Instead of having a bunch of mediocre binoculars you have just one exceptional binocular. Have you tried the Rick Young Harness? It appears to be light and simple but I am not sure if it would be as comfortable as the SV harness.
Theo98
Eurasian Goldfinch
More Food for Thought!
Sanjay,
I compared, picked and purchased the SLC 10x42's over the EL 10x42 SV's, Zeiss HT 10x42 HD's and the Leica Ultravid 10x42 HD+'s...the SLC optical prowess and solid ergonomics are that good! However, then I Dared to look through the EL 10x50 SV's and now have the SLC's for sale!!! The 10x50 SV Deep DOF, FOV clarity, superb resolution, razor sharpness, stark contrast and accurate colors are the Best I've ever looked through, creating a WOW effect that takes my breath away each glassing session!!!
You've stated on BF before and above that you Really Did Like the Optics of the 12x50 SV the best, that they were, "very impressive", but questioned if you could handle the extra weight issue of the Swaro EL 50mm ergonomics. The EL 10x50 SV Will Be identical in form and handling as the 12x50, so you have Already Experienced and Know what the 10x50 will be like in overall glassing. However, the 10x50 does offer a Wider FOV, a Brighter Image that will assist in very low light situations and be easier to control Bino Shakes due their lower power. Actually, out of the 10 or so 10x binos I've owned or handled these past 8 months, the heaviest (EL 10x50 SV's) are the easiest to handhold in a stabilized view due to their balance and heft!
As others have asked, what will your primary usage be??? Hours long birding\wildlife close up glassing sessions (daytime) where you'll have very little rest breaks to put them down (use 8 to 10x power, 32 to 42mm glass)? Or, will shorter sessions of longer distance glassing, like hunting or general scenery\wildlife viewing in shadowy\challenging light with more frequent periods of rest be the norm?
It appears your persistent purchase hesitation and line of BF questions are simply related to a perceived weight problem. Certainly, that is a possible issue that can be addressed and controlled. With a good, well adjusted Bino Harness, the 10x50 SV extra weight should not be an issue in any of the above activities. The EL 10x50 SV plus the bino harness will become more of an OVERALL Glassing Instrument combo that can fit comfortably into most, if not all, binocular sport activities, giving what I believe is One of the Best Viewing Experiences today! :t:
My .02 cents,
Ted
Sanjay,
I compared, picked and purchased the SLC 10x42's over the EL 10x42 SV's, Zeiss HT 10x42 HD's and the Leica Ultravid 10x42 HD+'s...the SLC optical prowess and solid ergonomics are that good! However, then I Dared to look through the EL 10x50 SV's and now have the SLC's for sale!!! The 10x50 SV Deep DOF, FOV clarity, superb resolution, razor sharpness, stark contrast and accurate colors are the Best I've ever looked through, creating a WOW effect that takes my breath away each glassing session!!!
You've stated on BF before and above that you Really Did Like the Optics of the 12x50 SV the best, that they were, "very impressive", but questioned if you could handle the extra weight issue of the Swaro EL 50mm ergonomics. The EL 10x50 SV Will Be identical in form and handling as the 12x50, so you have Already Experienced and Know what the 10x50 will be like in overall glassing. However, the 10x50 does offer a Wider FOV, a Brighter Image that will assist in very low light situations and be easier to control Bino Shakes due their lower power. Actually, out of the 10 or so 10x binos I've owned or handled these past 8 months, the heaviest (EL 10x50 SV's) are the easiest to handhold in a stabilized view due to their balance and heft!
As others have asked, what will your primary usage be??? Hours long birding\wildlife close up glassing sessions (daytime) where you'll have very little rest breaks to put them down (use 8 to 10x power, 32 to 42mm glass)? Or, will shorter sessions of longer distance glassing, like hunting or general scenery\wildlife viewing in shadowy\challenging light with more frequent periods of rest be the norm?
It appears your persistent purchase hesitation and line of BF questions are simply related to a perceived weight problem. Certainly, that is a possible issue that can be addressed and controlled. With a good, well adjusted Bino Harness, the 10x50 SV extra weight should not be an issue in any of the above activities. The EL 10x50 SV plus the bino harness will become more of an OVERALL Glassing Instrument combo that can fit comfortably into most, if not all, binocular sport activities, giving what I believe is One of the Best Viewing Experiences today! :t:
My .02 cents,
Ted
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Denco
No, I have not tried the Rick Young Harness. There is a $15 delivery charge to the UK but I think that i will go for it. I see 2 advantages over the SV harness, firstly, the RYH does not have the webbing bands under which you sweat. Secondly, as shown on their video, by wrapping the harness round the end of the binos, you stop bounce when walking.
For those who have not seen it, I have attached my photo showing from left to right, EL 10X50, Zeiss Victory SF 10X42, EL 10X42, EL 10X32. In my opinion the EL 10X50 is, by a margin, the best of these 4 but I preferred the SF to the 2 smaller EL models. Had I not 'found' the EL 10X50 (thanks to this forum) I would have found it difficult to choose between the SF 10X42 and the EL 10X42 simply because I want these binos to last a long time and I did not think that the SF has the 'built like a battleship' feel of the SV.
Rolstone
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The EL 10x50 looks about the same size as the Zeiss SF 10x42 in the line up. The Zeiss SF is pretty big. So you preferred the big EL 10x50 over the Zeiss SF 10x42. Interesting. Yes, a binocular strap works fine if you are just on a casual walk but when you start hiking up hills and mountains a harness is almost a necessity to keep the binocular from bouncing. The only thing aboyt the RY harness is the split ring attachment which I think could scratch your binoculars.
Aperture always wins even in binoculars.
Do you wish for 8x maybe?all I was missing in the SV50 was a nice scenery, but now we're in Sweden for holidays, that issue is also solved|=)|
The SV's are awesome. The ATX85 is no slouch eitherB
Life's good:t:
One thing, the shake in the SV is horrible
No, I think the kickass 9.5% Belgian beer "Boerinneken" and a white Chimay trappist have got something to do with it
It will be better by tomorrow morning I suppose:-O
Theo98
Eurasian Goldfinch
No, I think the kickass 9.5% Belgian beer "Boerinneken" and a white Chimay trappist have got something to do with it
It will be better by tomorrow morning I suppose:-O
Depends how many were consumed by the 10x50's, may need to wait till their RB settles out, hehe! :-O
brocknroller
A professed porromaniac
The 8x32 SV EL has an AFOV of 64*. The 10x50 SV EL has an AFOV of 65.7*. So the 10x50 would subjectively give the user a more open feel than the 8x32 regardless that the 8x32's TFOV was wider.
As to DOF, it's as much perception as it is physics. 10x50s usually give me a better perception of depth than 10x42s, and that's during the day, so it's not because of the bigger exit pupils.
I also found the perception of depth to be much less in the Nikon 8x32 LX than the 8x32 SE and 8x30 EII. I don't dispute the physics, but neither do I discount what my eyes tell me.
I echo Torrie's request for an "alpha" (quality) 7x35. I wouldn't pay $2,600 for it, and I wouldn't have to if someone made a premium 7x35 porro such as a new model 7x35 EII with 9.3* FOV. But they way Nikon is suddenly dumping the EIIs on the market, it appears that series is slated for extinction rather than expansion.
Brock
As to DOF, it's as much perception as it is physics. 10x50s usually give me a better perception of depth than 10x42s, and that's during the day, so it's not because of the bigger exit pupils.
I also found the perception of depth to be much less in the Nikon 8x32 LX than the 8x32 SE and 8x30 EII. I don't dispute the physics, but neither do I discount what my eyes tell me.
I echo Torrie's request for an "alpha" (quality) 7x35. I wouldn't pay $2,600 for it, and I wouldn't have to if someone made a premium 7x35 porro such as a new model 7x35 EII with 9.3* FOV. But they way Nikon is suddenly dumping the EIIs on the market, it appears that series is slated for extinction rather than expansion.
Brock
Sanjay Naithani
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Guys I have purchased EL 10*50 SV today through my friend in Hamburg. He will be back in Delhi day after and then I will have chance to take the possession. It costed me 2100 Euros.
I just wanted to know how do one clean Binocular and is it essential to buy the cleaning kit from Swarovski. Also I thought accessory would have round snap shot adaptor meant for taking pictures but it is not part of accessory.
In any case I am looking forward to see through these Binoculars.
Sanjay
I just wanted to know how do one clean Binocular and is it essential to buy the cleaning kit from Swarovski. Also I thought accessory would have round snap shot adaptor meant for taking pictures but it is not part of accessory.
In any case I am looking forward to see through these Binoculars.
Sanjay
Well done Sanjay, I'm sure you will be over the moon with it:t:
I really prefer my 50 over the 32, it's less critical as far as eye placement concerns, the glare control is way, way better, and the light gathering is exellent.
Did some stargazing here in Sweden and it was an amazing experience which I'll never forget.
As far as cleaning concerns, I rinse it under tap water first, then carefully clean the lens surfaces with a soft cloth. Don't apply pressure when cleaning. No need for the 35€ cleaning kit IMO.
Same counts for the harness, I have a Matin harness, 100% identical to the Swaro exept for the logo, but half the price. You can see it in the picture a couple of posts up.
Again, good job, you will be a happy man when you have it in your posession|=)|
Cheers, Gijs
Sanjay
Many congratulations!! I wish you years of very happy use. As you know, I hugely enjoy my pair of EL 10X50 and I am certain that the same will apply to you.
Why not see if the distributor in Hamburg will throw in the SV cleaning kit and the SV harness for free? As part of the 2100 Euros? That was the deal that i struck. If they will only do one, I would go for the harness.
Best wishes
Rolstone
Many congratulations!! I wish you years of very happy use. As you know, I hugely enjoy my pair of EL 10X50 and I am certain that the same will apply to you.
Why not see if the distributor in Hamburg will throw in the SV cleaning kit and the SV harness for free? As part of the 2100 Euros? That was the deal that i struck. If they will only do one, I would go for the harness.
Best wishes
Rolstone
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