New binoculars from leica (1 Viewer)

[Mark9473]

I've never had a bin with AK prisms , but read here on the forum that they give a slight 3D effect compared to SP prisms and some people like AK prisms for this small benefit.
If PPP slightly exceeds AK, as you stated, couldn't we see slightly more 3D effect esp compared to SP bins?

I think the differences will be tiny, and the net effect will probably be insignificant to anybody used to conventional porro binoculars.

I have an SP-roof 8x42 and the 'lack of 3D' compared to my porro binoculars is, to me, hardly noticeable. So it also depends on how much attention one pays to this.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

I think the differences will be tiny, and the net effect will probably be insignificant to anybody used to conventional porro binoculars.

I have an SP-roof 8x42 and the 'lack of 3D' compared to my porro binoculars is, to me, hardly noticeable. So it also depends on how much attention one pays to this.

I have an SP roof too , Ultravid, and two porros and generally agree with you except I do notice the 3D of the porros and at times readily see the difference.
This doesn't make me like the roof bin any less. Actually sometimes the 3D effect of the porro looks a little weird to me. I only like smaller sized porros and generally prefer roof bins over porros (not too big as well).

But my original thought was that, if the new Leica is a Perger ( remember they are "upgrading" from an SP roof ultravid) I wonder if a degree of 3D could present itself in the view...that's all. Someone had mentioned Perger will only provide a little more transmission , but I do wonder what other benefits there may be in this design for a birding bin. Like some people see a slight 3D effect in AK bins, would this also be the case in a Perger.

I think I've beat a dead horse on this one. I do hope Leica gives us another clue before the Bird Fair, but they'll probably make us wait.

 

[Vespobuteo]

Looked a bit closer on the proportions of the bin and compared to other leica models. Though it's hard do define the outlines 100%, I'm pretty sure this is a 42mm:ish bin. Proportions seem much like a 42 mm UV HD+. So probably not a Perger. Oculars are a bit wider than UV HD+ and eye cup looks more like those on the HD-B. So maybe better eye relief and lighter than both SV and SF. Will be interesting to see if Leica will follow the flat-field trend and what the USP:s will be, compared to UV HD+ and also SV and SF.

 

[dwever]

OMG . . . or we could wait until they're released

#crystalballsdonotwork

 

[Torview]

An all new Leica (if it is) is a big deal, the current UVHD+ has very much been a steady upgrade on the Trinovid BA, so I don`t want to wait without some speculative chatter.

It does look more like a SP design, plus we`ve mentioned on these pages that maybe the UV design has reached its zenith, a Leica UV4K, with the ergo`s and balance of an SF, the eye relief and edge sharpness of an SV, all in a lighter smaller body, with the UVHD+ "sparkle" view, that would be nice.

 

[Troubador]

An all new Leica (if it is) is a big deal, the current UVHD+ has very much been a steady upgrade on the Trinovid BA, so I don`t want to wait without some speculative chatter.

It does look more like a SP design, plus we`ve mentioned on these pages that maybe the UV design has reached its zenith, a Leica UV4K, with the ergo`s and balance of an SF, the eye relief and edge sharpness of an SV, all in a lighter smaller body, with the UVHD+ "sparkle" view, that would be nice.

Sounds great but lets also give it the FOV of SF or even better, and a close focus of 2.0m so its good for all nature observers and not just specialist birders .

If they can do something radical on the weight that would be really exciting.

Lee

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

More 3D view like on SF can be achieved with SP prism.

If they really want to compete with SV and SF is mandatory a flat filed or almost flat field design with huge FOV and more ER.

With a compact design is gonna be difficult to reduce CA.

Keep the pure Leica colors reducing the reddish tint can be another very nice improvement.

Otherwise i will keep my SV waiting for the SV replacement from swarovsky in the future.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

Sounds great but lets also give it the FOV of SF or even better, and a close focus of 2.0m so its good for all nature observers and not just specialist birders .

If they can do something radical on the weight that would be really exciting.

Lee

Weight reduction and keeping the compact size is very important to me.
I would love to see a 23 or 24oz 42mm from one of the top makers.
I don't really like open bridge on full size bins, but like it on the mid-size and
find the Swaro SV 8x32 pretty awesome. It would be nice to see a Zeiss SF 32mm someday.

 

[Troubador]

Weight reduction and keeping the compact size is very important to me.
I would love to see a 23 or 24oz 42mm from one of the top makers.
I don't really like open bridge on full size bins, but like it on the mid-size and
find the Swaro SV 8x32 pretty awesome. It would be nice to see a Zeiss SF 32mm someday.

GiGi

The new Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 comes in at 23.5 ozs.

Lee

 

[Gilmore Girl]

GiGi

The new Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 comes in at 23.5 ozs.

Lee

Nice !

 

[Torview]

Sounds great but lets also give it the FOV of SF or even better, and a close focus of 2.0m so its good for all nature observers and not just specialist birders .

If they can do something radical on the weight that would be really exciting.

Lee

Good points Lee, lets hope they still offer a seven power as well.

Globetrotter, personally there is no red tint in the UVHD+ to me, it was noticeable in the UVHD, but the shift to HT glass and an improvement in the blue ultraviolet range has made this a thing of the past to me, really not sure why this idea persists.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

Good points Lee, lets hope they still offer a seven power as well.

Globetrotter, personally there is no red tint in the UVHD+ to me, it was noticeable in the UVHD, but the shift to HT glass and an improvement in the blue ultraviolet range has made this a thing of the past to me, really not sure why this idea persists.

Agree with this. I had the previous Trinovid model (before the new HD) and it had a slightly warm view, but the HD+ seems more neutral.
The view is still a Leica view with very nice colors and contrast.

I think the 'red tint' reputation still persists since the HD+ hasn't been around really that long and there are still a lot of UVHD's out there.

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

Good points Lee, lets hope they still offer a seven power as well.

Globetrotter, personally there is no red tint in the UVHD+ to me, it was noticeable in the UVHD, but the shift to HT glass and an improvement in the blue ultraviolet range has made this a thing of the past to me, really not sure why this idea persists.

Agree is less pronounced than on HD models but still there.

More easy to notice during cloudy days on white targets and if you have other binocular to compare becomes more obviously.

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

Allbinos say:

Slight inclination of the transmission curve with a tendency to increase toward the red part of the spectrum.

Also there is another reference about this on greatestbinoculars.com

 

[fazalmajid]

GiGi
Your wish is my command but you will have to wait until I get back home. Don't think I should be seen snuggling with a Little Owl (stuffed or not) in public at Bird Fair. :king:

No, you have to go to the Owl Cafés of Japan for that:
http://kotaku.com/who-thinks-japans-owl-cafes-are-a-hoot-1453247424

 

[Vespobuteo]

Allbinos say:

Slight inclination of the transmission curve with a tendency to increase toward the red part of the spectrum.

Also there is another reference about this on greatestbinoculars.com

Allbinos say:

"Pros:
* good transmission
* good whiteness rendering."

so I guess they don't actually SEE any disturbing red cast or tint...

 

[Troubador]

Allbinos say:

"Pros:
* good transmission
* good whiteness rendering."

so I guess they don't actually SEE any disturbing red cast or tint...

My wife's Ultravid (not a Plus model) certainly has warmth to the view but no way would I describe it as having a 'tint' .

Lee

 

[Torview]

My EII and Meopta B1 are both warmer than my UVHD+, EII v UVHD was much closer with the EII just the warmer.

 

[CloseFocus]

If you put the Google Chrome 3D view filter over it and scroll to the top of the bin you can read 7x32 9.2 (or 9.7 not completely clear) FOV written on the focusser.

Jan

That's what I see too. And is that leather armor? Yes, that definitely looks like leather armor., photoshopped to look like rubber.

 

[Vespobuteo]

My wife's Ultravid (not a Plus model) certainly has warmth to the view but no way would I describe it as having a 'tint' .

Lee

If you ever upgrade to the HD+ model and miss the warm view,
you can always get a pair of these...
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