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New for the scope need help on scope selection (1 Viewer)

Yyyy

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Hi All,

I am a new one in the forums. I want to purchase my first spotting scope. The budget is under $1000. I am hesitating between Pentax PF-80ED-A with 8-24mm eye piece ($900) and Vortex Razor HD 20-60x85 ($700). I think for me the image quality (at 20-60 mag) is the first. I will mainly use them for bird and wildlife observation. Do you have any suggestions? Any idea will be appreciated.


Here are some photos I took recently with 500mm lense. I found it was limited some time. So a scope is necessary.
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Hi All,

I am a new one in the forums. I want to purchase my first spotting scope. The budget is under $1000. I am hesitating between Pentax PF-80ED-A with 8-24mm eye piece ($900) and Vortex Razor HD 20-60x85 ($700). I think for me the image quality (at 20-60 mag) is the first. I will mainly use them for bird and wildlife observation. Do you have any suggestions? Any idea will be appreciated.


Here are some photos I took recently with 500mm lense. I found it was limited some time. So a scope is necessary.
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Cool pictures. I'm more green than you! But I just got my first spotting scope. I'm already looking into photography given it's easy transition and relationship with optics.

I recently acquired a Kowa 55a scope and I'm the next hour or so from this post will be trying to give some thoughts and experiential knowledge despite my very recent entrance into this birding activity.

Very cool pictures maybe you can give me a good suggestion for a camera under 1k USD. I was looking at a P1000 with it's rediculous zoom and what I'm guessing is no need for changing lens. It's all one and done kit. I already have a tripod.

The bit of knowledge and wisdom I can give into your choices are these

1 How far, miles? and long, days? are you rucking your gear? Strength level, care of equipment you might need and want a car along with a tripod and it seems like you will have a camera and other gear, do you have a good backpack rucksack?

2 do you have known distances?
For me, I have relative distances of 200m - 400m, 750m, and a 1k+.
Thus far these have tended to be, due to terrain, forest, ridge/spurs/cliffs, and water, rivers, have been the defining factors in a regional area.
My scope Kowa 55A performs excellent from 17x to about 35 - 36/7.5x free max of 40x has noticeable degradation to discerning optical afficionados.
I do not have the custom Kowa neoprene stay on case yet. But it will be arriving from Germany in the next couple of weeks.

That will add slight weight, negligible to me, but the bulk volume size is a strong consideration as currently it fits so very nicely in the top zip compartment of my Osprey Atmos AG 50 liter ruck.
I'm further considering to purchase a much greater stronger bag so Thai I can store it inside the ruck of I'm going farther distances say small mountains and plateaus.
The size is excellent bc I can fit it in the top pouch of my ruck, in a backpack or side water bottle sleeve is awesome in portability. The weight is considering it's size but that bc of all the glass. Optically this is about the best of the best in its class.
Here's what you really need to ask yourself and the real conundrum....
Put yourself in my shoes....
I personally can carry more, weight, and as far as size is concerned I can fit and carry a larger scope in my pack. It won't fit, conveniently, into the top zip pocket on the ruck or anywhere else but in a case and inside contained in the ruck.
The next size up is the Kowa 66A, FYI A represents an angled scope identifier,of which I really only want an angled scope not a straight. The 66A is not that much longer or heavier neither is the 88A. The difference is the utility of this optical marvel.... The magnification power.

I'm strongly considering to sell my brand new Kowa55A and get a 66A or the 88A.

All of this consideration in the idea of getting greater magnification. I have more options with zoom and greater resolve distances with simply put a larger objective lens.

That's my 7cents on the matter. I hope it helps give you some perspective and helps in your consideration.

Distance, time, strength /endurance, weight, utility magnification, money

2Gunns
 

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Cool pictures. I'm more green than you! But I just got my first spotting scope. I'm already looking into photography given it's easy transition and relationship with optics.

I recently acquired a Kowa 55a scope and I'm the next hour or so from this post will be trying to give some thoughts and experiential knowledge despite my very recent entrance into this birding activity.

Very cool pictures maybe you can give me a good suggestion for a camera under 1k USD. I was looking at a P1000 with it's rediculous zoom and what I'm guessing is no need for changing lens. It's all one and done kit. I already have a tripod.

The bit of knowledge and wisdom I can give into your choices are these

1 How far, miles? and long, days? are you rucking your gear? Strength level, care of equipment you might need and want a car along with a tripod and it seems like you will have a camera and other gear, do you have a good backpack rucksack?

2 do you have known distances?
For me, I have relative distances of 200m - 400m, 750m, and a 1k+.
Thus far these have tended to be, due to terrain, forest, ridge/spurs/cliffs, and water, rivers, have been the defining factors in a regional area.
My scope Kowa 55A performs excellent from 17x to about 35 - 36/7.5x free max of 40x has noticeable degradation to discerning optical afficionados.
I do not have the custom Kowa neoprene stay on case yet. But it will be arriving from Germany in the next couple of weeks.

That will add slight weight, negligible to me, but the bulk volume size is a strong consideration as currently it fits so very nicely in the top zip compartment of my Osprey Atmos AG 50 liter ruck.
I'm further considering to purchase a much greater stronger bag so Thai I can store it inside the ruck of I'm going farther distances say small mountains and plateaus.
The size is excellent bc I can fit it in the top pouch of my ruck, in a backpack or side water bottle sleeve is awesome in portability. The weight is considering it's size but that bc of all the glass. Optically this is about the best of the best in its class.
Here's what you really need to ask yourself and the real conundrum....
Put yourself in my shoes....
I personally can carry more, weight, and as far as size is concerned I can fit and carry a larger scope in my pack. It won't fit, conveniently, into the top zip pocket on the ruck or anywhere else but in a case and inside contained in the ruck.
The next size up is the Kowa 66A, FYI A represents an angled scope identifier,of which I really only want an angled scope not a straight. The 66A is not that much longer or heavier neither is the 88A. The difference is the utility of this optical marvel.... The magnification power.

I'm strongly considering to sell my brand new Kowa55A and get a 66A or the 88A.

All of this consideration in the idea of getting greater magnification. I have more options with zoom and greater resolve distances with simply put a larger objective lens.

That's my 7cents on the matter. I hope it helps give you some perspective and helps in your consideration.

Distance, time, strength /endurance, weight, utility magnification, money

2Gunns
Hi 2Gunns,

Thanks for your comment. Nice to know you here. Kiowa is nice manufacturer of the scope. But it is beyond my considerations. After searching a lot on google, I think I will get one between Vortex and Pentax. Weight and size are not the consideration at the current stage. It is the reason I want a 80m scope for more light.
For the camera, I am using XT3 from Fujifilm, which is not that expensive. But I would recommend you to choose a camera with the built in stabilizer, which XT3 won’t.
 
The Pentax also accepts normal 1.25" astronomy eye pieces a plus imho.
I believe the Vortex will also take Swarovski eye pieces, great optics but pricey.
Scoping requires a solid tripod and head, otherwise viewing becomes a misery, no matter how good the scope.
 
The Pentax also accepts normal 1.25" astronomy eye pieces a plus imho.
I believe the Vortex will also take Swarovski eye pieces, great optics but pricey.
Scoping requires a solid tripod and head, otherwise viewing becomes a misery, no matter how good the scope.
Thanks! Vortex eyepiece is an important information! I got the tripod for my zoom lense before. I could use the same one.

I also found two additional candidates yesterday. Hawke 25-75*85 endurance ED and Alpen 20-60*80 APX ED. Do you have any suggestions on those two? The review for those two scopes are rare on google.
 
Hi 2Gunns,

Thanks for your comment. Nice to know you here. Kiowa is nice manufacturer of the scope. But it is beyond my considerations. After searching a lot on google, I think I will get one between Vortex and Pentax. Weight and size are not the consideration at the current stage. It is the reason I want a 80m scope for more light.
For the camera, I am using XT3 from Fujifilm, which is not that expensive. But I would recommend you to choose a camera with the built in stabilizer, which XT3 won’t.
Hello Yyyy

Not trying to sell you the Kowa...just trying to give you some ideas and considerations in what I encountered and after getting my scope experienced in implementing it's use

Thanks for the heads up... A built in stabilizer... You don't mean the stabilizing program which just crops to keep the subject in the center do you?

2Gunns
 
Hello Yyyy

Not trying to sell you the Kowa...just trying to give you some ideas and considerations in what I encountered and after getting my scope experienced in implementing it's use

Thanks for the heads up... A built in stabilizer... You don't mean the stabilizing program which just crops to keep the subject in the center do you?

2Gunns
The stabilization you mentioned is more like digital. What I am mentioned is mechanical method in the camera.
 
Hi All,

I am a new one in the forums. I want to purchase my first spotting scope. The budget is under $1000. I am hesitating between Pentax PF-80ED-A with 8-24mm eye piece ($900) and Vortex Razor HD 20-60x85 ($700). I think for me the image quality (at 20-60 mag) is the first. I will mainly use them for bird and wildlife observation. Do you have any suggestions? Any idea will be appreciated.


Here are some photos I took recently with 500mm lense. I found it was limited some time. So a scope is necessary.
View attachment 1590622
View attachment 1590621
So under $1000....

Can you get a Vortex Razor HD 20-60X85 for $700? I don't have that one BUT I do have a Razor HD 13-39X56 and it's a really good scope. If I could get the Razor HD 85mm for $700 I think that's probably a no brainer. That's a $1500 scope. I think it would be a good scope. II don't know a thing about the Pentax so I don't have a comment...

Get a good tripod too....
 
So under $1000....

Can you get a Vortex Razor HD 20-60X85 for $700? I don't have that one BUT I do have a Razor HD 13-39X56 and it's a really good scope. If I could get the Razor HD 85mm for $700 I think that's probably a no brainer. That's a $1500 scope. I think it would be a good scope. II don't know a thing about the Pentax so I don't have a comment...

Get a good tripod too....
20-60*85 is last generation scope. The one you mentioned is new generation. The old one only some retailers still sale them.
 
20-60*85 is last generation scope. The one you mentioned is new generation. The old one only some retailers still sale them.
I still think it would be a good scope to get your feet wet with spotting scopes.

Another really good scope sub $1000 would be a Kowa TSN-663/eyepiece for less than $1000. I have this one and it's a good scope. It's a nice mid-sized scope and all you'd probably ever need...

Would be the scope at the bottom of the picture...

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Also....really good scopes become available on the BF classified all the time. If you want...be patient and will will show up....Kowas, Opticians, and Nikon Fieldscopes....all good scopes.
 
Hello everyone, this is my first post on BF. I live in the south of Italy, in Sicily near a nature reserve called "Lake biviere Gela" where I observe nature on days off. In the reserve there are two huts from where to observe waterfowl in particular waders. I have three pairs of binoculars (including a Nikon 8x42 HG) to which I am thinking of adding a first spotting scope. The birds are about 200/250 meters (270 yards) away from the huts. What magnifications would be useful? . I’m wearing glasses and I have a budget of around € 1500. It might suit Kowa TSN-663m? Thank you in advance!
 
Hi and welcome,

I would think 20x to 60x or a bit more.

There is an interesting observation from Malta using a 70mm approx astro refractor of seeing Sicily and a church tower and possibly car headlights at night.
This was in an old newspaper article.

Also an Alfa Romeo car mechanic said that Malta is sometimes visible from Sicily.
The distance about 110 km.
There are cliffs on the north of Malta.

It would probably need 70x or more and very good atmospheric conditions.

I cannot advise on the best spotting scope option.

Regards,
B.
 
I still think it would be a good scope to get your feet wet with spotting scopes.

Another really good scope sub $1000 would be a Kowa TSN-663/eyepiece for less than $1000. I have this one and it's a good scope. It's a nice mid-sized scope and all you'd probably ever need...

Would be the scope at the bottom of the picture...

IMG_2478.jpeg


Also....really good scopes become available on the BF classified all the time. If you want...be patient and will will show up....Kowas, Opticians, and Nikon Fieldscopes....all good scopes.
Thanks for your idea. Vortex one is really attractive. I will also look at the one you mentioned!
 
Hello everyone, this is my first post on BF. I live in the south of Italy, in Sicily near a nature reserve called "Lake biviere Gela" where I observe nature on days off. In the reserve there are two huts from where to observe waterfowl in particular waders. I have three pairs of binoculars (including a Nikon 8x42 HG) to which I am thinking of adding a first spotting scope. The birds are about 200/250 meters (270 yards) away from the huts. What magnifications would be useful? . I’m wearing glasses and I have a budget of around € 1500. It might suit Kowa TSN-663m? Thank you in advance!
I think that Kowa would be a good choice. It works just fine with me and I wear glasses as well. I use a TE-14WD 30X eyepiece. Plenty of eye relief.
 
I think that Kowa would be a good choice. It works just fine with me and I wear glasses as well. I use a TE-14WD 30X eyepiece. Plenty of eye relief.
thanks for your reply, perhaps I entered the discussion clumsily πŸ˜…, I apologize. Anyway, I'm looking for the Kowa already mentioned, as well as the Opticron 77 (I see you have both). My doubt is which of the two can best cover the distances mentioned. I use a svbony 9-27x56, but often depending on the light conditions the image is destroyed and but it works well no higher than 16-18x and it is not sufficient for my observations. Thanks for the welcome
 
thanks for your reply, perhaps I entered the discussion clumsily πŸ˜…, I apologize. Anyway, I'm looking for the Kowa already mentioned, as well as the Opticron 77 (I see you have both). My doubt is which of the two can best cover the distances mentioned. I use a svbony 9-27x56, but often depending on the light conditions the image is destroyed and but it works well no higher than 16-18x and it is not sufficient for my observations. Thanks for the welcome
Either would be fine.
 

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